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Old 26th Sep 2010, 23:35   #31
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I read something once that said death from falling isn't caused by the first impact all the time, but rather when you 'bounce' and land again.

The first impact smashes your bones up but you tend to 'survive' it and then you bounce and when you impact again all your gizzards get punctured/smashed.

No idea how much truth there is to it though.


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Old 26th Sep 2010, 23:37   #32
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How about a 33000 foot drop and surviving:
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Old 26th Sep 2010, 23:51   #33
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Wasnt this something to do with when you dream? From what i remember being told, If you have a dream where you are falling you will never hit the ground as your mind goes into shock and forces you to wake up. Its something to do with the brain being unable to process what will happen when you hit the ground. Also people have said that if you do actually manage to hit the ground it can cause you to have a heart attack as it a big shock to the system. Maybe you should try this next time you goto sleep try to dream about falling or jumping and see if you hit the ground. More safe to do than to actually jump off a building.
You just reminded me of a freaky dream i had, it was unlike others where you fall and wake up as this one i saw what happens next, while the death bit felt shocking what followed was something else, i can only really describe it as a black empty void which felt dimensionless and timeless, it was like i was stuck there forever but then i woke up.
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Old 26th Sep 2010, 23:53   #34
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I read something once that said death from falling isn't caused by the first impact all the time, but rather when you 'bounce' and land again.

The first impact smashes your bones up but you tend to 'survive' it and then you bounce and when you impact again all your gizzards get punctured/smashed.

No idea how much truth there is to it though.
Truth? Absolutely none at all.
Really, think about what happens, run through the process, if anything the sudden deceleration is one thing, ontop of the trauma and crushed organs/bones.
Yeah it's the "bounce".
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 00:41   #35
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I read something once that said death from falling isn't caused by the first impact all the time, but rather when you 'bounce' and land again.

The first impact smashes your bones up but you tend to 'survive' it and then you bounce and when you impact again all your gizzards get punctured/smashed.

No idea how much truth there is to it though.
Humans aren't bouncy. A human falling far enough onto a hard surface breaks and crumples or just splats if they're going fast enough. Maybe some bits will break off and maybe get thrown off a bit, but that's not really a bounce.
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 01:00   #36
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There was a documentary about people jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. Apparently the impact kills you instantly, iirc.
Very surreal documentary that one. The old woman talking about her grandson dying is very strange.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 02:11   #37
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Sounds like the sort of thing Mythbusters might test, but falling to one's death is probably beyond their remit.

Mores the pity, id love to see both of them impact tested into concrete.

I used to like the program but the repeat rate on it out here drives me nuts, same program 7 days a week.
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 05:36   #38
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I've never died before hitting the ground when on a jump...


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Old 27th Sep 2010, 06:18   #39
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People who jump off the suspension bridge here in Bristol (there was one recently) don't usually die from the the fall, they drown in the mud on the sides of the river, as happened with our most recent suicide. So technically he wasn't killed by the fall, as the emergency services were trying to reach him and he was still conscious at the beginning.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 06:34   #40
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I was under the impression that a lot of jumpers (certainly off very high buildings) hit the side of the building on the way down and die because of that. But the human body can fall at terminal velocity with no risk of passing out etc.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 08:02   #41
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Some may pass out on the way down but they die on impact or later. Only one way to find out and I can get you kitted out with some instruments.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 08:16   #42
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The chances are that you'll die from heart failure- actually, to be precise, respirator arrest - from the shock of your fall.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 08:24   #43
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Truth? Absolutely none at all.
Really, think about what happens, run through the process, if anything the sudden deceleration is one thing, ontop of the trauma and crushed organs/bones.
Yeah it's the "bounce".
You've quite clearly never watched Crank then have you? Humans bounce.

You're right though, falling fast doesn't kill you, it's the sudden stop at the end. Your internal organs don't tend to take kindly to decelerating from terminal velocity to a standstill in short spaces of time, they want to keep on going and your ribs/the ground don't allow them to do that or if they do then you've got equally big problems.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 08:31   #44
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The chances are that you'll die from heart failure- actually, to be precise, respirator arrest - from the shock of your fall.
and where's your source for that information?

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 08:50   #45
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Also people have said that if you do actually manage to hit the ground
You make it sound like it's unlikely or requires skill .

If I was going to do this (why on earth you'd choose this method of all the ones available I don't know) I'd make sure I landed on my head so my neck broke and / or my skull and brain were pummeled good enough for me to be unconscious as soon as I hit the ground.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 08:56   #46
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No. You do not die before you hit the ground.

I and many of my friends would be long gone if that were the case.
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 09:02   #47
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i tested it, i went unconcious and broke my nails, nothing happened, you should try it
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 09:03   #48
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I don't believe its true no, as some people have been known to survive high falls and end up with a lot of broken bones.
Broken bones are the least of your worries. All that spent potential energy has to go some where and the elesticity of your body isnt enough to gently carry it. AFAIK, the extreme deceleration causes a tremendous amount of localised heat, so not only do you splat, you also cook.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 09:04   #49
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If you were shot in the head this would be true other than that I doubt it!


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Old 27th Sep 2010, 09:15   #50
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When I was at college in Belfast a student jumped off an 8 story building

An army patrol was just around the corner and they tried to help the poor bugger
he was alive for several pain filled minutes before dying (dude was a complete mess)

If I want to check out , jumping off a building is defo off the list
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 09:19   #51
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 10:44   #52
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Thought it was reported that a few of the 9/11 jumpers for exmaple died before hitting the ground due to heart attack.

The early response about drivers and skydivers etc, I think the passing out etc before you hit the ground is more the fact you know your going to die. Possibily.
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 11:16   #53
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Thought it was reported that a few of the 9/11 jumpers for exmaple died before hitting the ground due to heart attack.
Then why do bungee jumpers not die all the time? Pretty sure they will have said that to be nice rather than reporting that the people died because they became a splat on the floor.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 11:16   #54
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Thought it was reported that a few of the 9/11 jumpers for exmaple died before hitting the ground due to heart attack.
I highly doubt that, if for no other reason than it is extremely difficult to do a coronary report which is sophisticated enough to place cause of death on a heart attack, when that person has hit the ground at near-terminal velocity (i.e. pizza'd). Organs which are mush don't tell you much other than that the person hit the ground very, very hard.

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I used to be a volunteer rescue worker close to renowned suicide spots all along a river.

There was always that myth around here as well. In reality what happened when the majority of people jumped off the larger bridge was that they would break their back when they hit the water, they would then drown.

I can imagine the only thing they would be thinking as they are drowning is that they just made a big mistake. I know I would.

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Old 27th Sep 2010, 11:22   #56
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Sounds like the sort of thing Mythbusters might test, but falling to one's death is probably beyond their remit.
You say that... but in one of the early series they tested whether or not you can survive falling to your death in water by breaking the surface tension with something thrown before you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBus...er_Bridge_Drop

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Then why do bungee jumpers not die all the time?
Oh my goooooooddddddddddddddddddd.think about it! Really?

As a bungee jumper you aren't expecting to hit the floor, chances are these days with a reputable company you won't hit the floor, under the assumption you will live.
People who jump high heights to terra firma for suicide don't, they are expecting to hit without a doubt.

But it's a really bad roll of luck, you could survive a fall from your terminal velocity but chances are slim.
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Old 27th Sep 2010, 11:50   #58
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With a lot of people commiting suicide by jumping off bridges etc is it true that you die / pass out before you hit the ground? Has it actually been proven?
pass out maybe... but I can't see how you'd just die

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There was a documentary about people jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. Apparently the impact kills you instantly, iirc.
Pretty good documentary, why did the biggest douche manage to survive though?

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Oh my goooooooddddddddddddddddddd.think about it! Really?

As a bungee jumper you aren't expecting to hit the floor, chances are these days with a reputable company you won't hit the floor, under the assumption you will live.
People who jump high heights to terra firma for suicide don't, they are expecting to hit without a doubt.

But it's a really bad roll of luck, you could survive a fall from your terminal velocity but chances are slim.
but surely if you have decided to commit suicide you have already made your peace with the world as you are prepared to die...so if you are prepared to die why would you suddenly panic and have a heart attack
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