2005 German Grand Prix

Vertigo · 25 Jul 2005 at 21:38

Flibster said:
I called the Williams-Cosworth link a couple of races ago...

Damn I'm good.

Well given that Cosworth were already well along the development path with their 2.4L V8 and, since Red Bull had decided to go elsewhere, they had no customer, it was pretty obvious which way Williams would jump, especially as there's no way FW would swallow his pride and take engines from BMW next season.

Flibster · 25 Jul 2005 at 21:43

Errr...at that time it wasn't known that the V8 project was being worked on and as close to being tested in car as it was. As the only signed up team they has was Minardi who's going to be using V10's next year.

But...I'll let that slide.

He wanted Toyota...But they were going to side with Jordan tbh - have a nice B team rather than 2 A teams...

Simon/~Flibster

dannyjo22 · 25 Jul 2005 at 22:25

Mr pitpass would really hate you cutting and pasting his stories, he hates that, even posting links he really hates that too.

Flibster · 26 Jul 2005 at 09:29

I get them emailed to me by a ex-colleague.
Where he includes a link to a page - I include it.

Anyway...

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33597 said:
BERNIE BACKS TEAM BUY-IN OF F1
Last Updated: Monday, 25, July, 2005, 21:31

Bernie Ecclestone has poured cold water on a rumoured sale of Formula 1’s commercial rights to a Hong Kong conglomerate – and instead claims he wants to see the teams and manufacturers take control of the sport.

A report in the Sunday Telegraph suggested that Tom Group, the media unit of Hutchison Whampoa, was preparing a $1 billion bid to buy out the three German banks that currently own 75 percent of the shares in Formula 1 holding company SLEC.

The banks are understood to be keen to divest themselves of their shares, which they inherited in 2002 when the Kirch media empire collapsed.

Ecclestone confirmed that he had been approached by Hutchison, but was not convinced of the company’s bona fides.

“I spoke to Hutchison,” the Formula 1 supremo said at Hockenheim on Sunday.

“They sent a boy to do a man’s job. We are not interested in selling to them.

“We get offers like this every day, but it is not what we want for the future of Formula 1.”

Ecclestone added that his preferred scenario would be for the sport’s major stakeholders to take the reins – a development which he claims is on the agenda.

“What I would like is for the teams and manufacturers to sort themselves out and own the sport, so they can control everything from the commercial rights to the TV, nice and beautiful.

“Talks with the manufacturers are ongoing. There is no timeframe but we are confident we can sort it out.”

So...kind of what the GPWC is about then...?

Flibster · 27 Jul 2005 at 11:38

Race Results.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Laps	Time		Grid	Points[/b]
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			67	1:26:28.599	3	10 
2	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	67	+22.5 secs	20	8 
3	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		67	+24.4 secs	2	6 
4	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			67	+50.5 secs	4	5 
5	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			67	+51.6 secs	5	4 
6	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			67	+52.2 secs	12	3 
7	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		67	+52.7 secs	11	2 
8	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		67	+56.5 secs	13	1 
9	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		67	+69.8 secs	10	 
10	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			66	+1 Lap		15	 
11	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		66	+1 Lap		7	 
12	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		66	+1 Lap		8	 
13	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	65	+2 Laps		16	 
14	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			64	+3 Laps		9	 
15	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		64	+3 Laps		14	 
16	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		64	+3 Laps		19	 
17	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		64	+3 Laps		18	 
18	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	63	+4 Laps		17	 
Ret	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		55	+12 Laps	6	 
Ret	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	35	Hydraulics 	1

Fastest Laps.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Lap	Time		Speed		Laptime[/b]
1	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	24	14:33:39	219.924		1:14.873 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			21	14:30:00	218.866		1:15.235 
3	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		19	14:27:42	217.111		1:15.843 
4	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	54	15:13:07	217.011		1:15.878 
5	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			21	14:30:28	216.977		1:15.890 
6	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			23	14:33:05	216.455		1:16.073 
7	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			18	14:26:23	216.381		1:16.099 
8	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		18	14:26:33	216.000		1:16.233 
9	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		45	15:02:02	215.992		1:16.236 
10	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		45	15:01:52	215.845		1:16.288 
11	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			45	15:02:30	215.320		1:16.474 
12	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			47	15:04:41	215.168		1:16.528 
13	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		10	14:16:19	214.946		1:16.607 
14	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		27	14:38:52	214.615		1:16.725 
15	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		46	15:17:11	214.397		1:16.803 
16	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		26	14:38:09	213.511		1:17.122 
17	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		12	14:19:23	210.821		1:18.106 
18	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		7	14:12:49	210.535		1:18.212 
19	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	11	14:18:02	209.963		1:18.425 
20	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	44	15:04:00	208.369		1:19.025

Pit Stops

Code:

[b]Stop	No	Driver			Time			Lap	Time of day	Time		Total time[/b]
1	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		1	14:04:53	26.782		26.782 
1	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			1	14:04:58	24.311		24.311 
1	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		1	14:05:28	12:45.414	12:45.414 
1	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		4	14:09:08	22.844		22.844 
1	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	4	14:09:15	27.792		27.792 
1	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		14	14:22:00	20.932		20.932 
1	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		15	14:22:43	22.172		22.172 
1	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		16	14:24:37	22.952		22.952 
1	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		19	14:27:55	24.579		24.579 
1	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		19	14:27:59	24.917		24.917 
1	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	19	14:28:36	26.289		26.289 
1	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		20	14:28:59	23.407		23.407 
1	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		20	14:29:08	24.099		24.099 
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			22	14:31:16	23.844		23.844 
1	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			22	14:31:29	23.742		23.742 
2	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	21	14:32:31	22.482		50.274 
1	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			23	14:33:01	24.402		24.402 
1	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	25	14:34:57	23.142		23.142 
1	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			25	14:35:39	23.082		23.082 
1	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			26	14:37:06	22.524		22.524 
2	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			26	14:37:37	23.414		47.725 
1	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	27	14:38:06	24.738		24.738 
3	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	25	14:38:14	26.302		1:16.576 
2	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		27	14:39:55	47.896		1:08.828 
2	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		28	14:40:11	23.259		50.041 
2	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		27	14:40:19	29.476		52.320 
2	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		32	14:46:16	22.558		45.510 
3	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		32	14:47:31	30.259		1:39.087 
2	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		35	14:49:02	20.786		42.958 
2	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		28	14:53:28	21.056		13:06.470 
2	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	42	14:59:41	24.745		51.034 
3	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		44	15:02:36	11.193		56.703 
2	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		46	15:02:51	21.849		45.256 
2	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		46	15:03:09	22.882		47.461 
2	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		46	15:03:19	23.283		48.200 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			47	15:03:33	22.259		46.103 
2	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		47	15:04:19	21.608		45.707 
3	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			47	15:05:05	19.948		1:07.673 
4	20	Robert Doornbos		Minardi-Cosworth	45	15:05:20	28.450		1:45.026 
2	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			49	15:06:45	20.983		44.725 
2	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			49	15:07:17	20.530		43.054 
2	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			50	15:08:07	23.201		47.603 
2	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			50	15:08:11	20.450		43.532 
3	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		50	15:08:57	20.458		1:03.416 
3	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		49	15:10:09	22.348		1:14.668 
4	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		50	15:10:50	21.556		1:18.259 
3	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		53	15:13:05	20.506		1:10.547 
4	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			53	15:13:13	11.093		1:18.766 
4	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		52	15:14:38	21.281		2:00.368 
5	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			54	15:14:41	19.772		1:38.538 
2	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	56	15:15:40	20.460		45.198 
5	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		54	15:17:03	24.670		1:42.929 
3	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		47	15:18:29	43.734		13:50.204 
6	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			58	15:20:12	22.060		2:00.598

Flibster · 27 Jul 2005 at 12:05

Current Standings

2005 Drivers Championship.

Code:

[b]Pos	Driver			Nationality	Team			Points[/b]
1	Fernando Alonso		Spanish		Renault			87 
2	Kimi Räikkönen		Finnish		McLaren-Mercedes	51 
3	Michael Schumacher	German		Ferrari			47 
4	Juan Pablo Montoya	Colombian	McLaren-Mercedes	34 
5	Rubens Barrichello	Brazilian	Ferrari			31 
5=	Jarno Trulli		Italian		Toyota			31 
7	Giancarlo Fisichella	Italian		Renault			30 
8	Ralf Schumacher		German		Toyota			26 
9	Nick Heidfeld		German		Williams-BMW		25 
10	Mark Webber		Australian	Williams-BMW		22 
11	David Coulthard		British		Red Bull Racing		19 
12	Jenson Button		British		BAR-Honda		15 
13	Felipe Massa		Brazilian	Sauber-Petronas		8 
14	Tiago Monteiro		Portuguese	Jordan-Toyota		6 
14=	Alexander Wurz		Austrian	McLaren-Mercedes	6 
14=	Jacques Villeneuve	Canadian	Sauber-Petronas		6 
17	Narain Karthikeyan	Indian		Jordan-Toyota		5 
18	Christijan Albers	Dutch		Minardi-Cosworth	4 
18=	Pedro de la Rosa	Spanish		McLaren-Mercedes	4 
18=	Christian Klien		Austrian	Red Bull Racing		4 
21	Patrick Friesacher	Austrian	Minardi-Cosworth	3 
22	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Italian		Red Bull Racing		1

2005 Constructors Championship.

Code:

[b]Pos	Constructor 		Points[/b]
1	Renault			117			
2	McLaren-Mercedes	95			
3	Ferrari			78			
4	Toyota			57			
5	Williams-BMW		47			
6	Red Bull Racing		24	
7	BAR-Honda		15		 
8	Sauber-Petronas		14			
9	Jordan-Toyota		11	
10	Minardi-Cosworth	7

Dutch Guy · 27 Jul 2005 at 12:21

Thanks for the updates, will you start a Hungary thread soon?

Flibster · 27 Jul 2005 at 12:29

Dutch Guy said:
Thanks for the updates, will you start a Hungary thread soon?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=5251734