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Old 17th Aug 2006, 12:02   #1
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Gaining motorway CCTV footage

Hi guys,

Does anyone know how I should go about trying to obtain CCTV footage taken of motorways.

And does anyone know how long the footage is kept for before it's deleted?

Cheers.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 12:03   #2
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This still about the incident on the way to coombe?

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Old 17th Aug 2006, 12:06   #3
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what happened?
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 13:40   #4
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Think you may have left it to late to be honest. However phone up the local council or motorway place and ask?
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 15:17   #5
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technically if its recorded you "should" be able to get a copy of it under the data protection act - paying a max of 10 (iirc) for the privaledge. However thats dependant how long they actually keep the tapes for and if you can prove it was you (which shouldn't be too much of an issue as you were in a car...) although they may well try and get out of it.... the other problem you'll have is getting the actual incident (if there is one) on the tape you request - unless you know the exact time and location of the incident...

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Old 17th Aug 2006, 17:06   #6
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Probably best speaking to the Highways Agency, but I think you've probably left it too late, thats if it was even caught on camera.

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Old 17th Aug 2006, 17:10   #7
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Cheers for the replies guys.

The other party has said that he'd already tried to get hold of the footage shortly after the incident but it was deleted after 7 days.

7 days sounds like quite a short period for the footage to be kept for, so I was just thinking that maybe he had got hold of the footage and it'd shown the car tailgating me... something which would put the scenario in my favour.

I'll give the Highways Agency a ring and see what they say.

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Old 17th Aug 2006, 17:15   #8
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7 days sounds like quite a short period for the footage to be kept for, so I was just thinking that maybe he had got hold of the footage and it'd shown the car tailgating me... something which would put the scenario in my favour.


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Not really Andy, it will show your actions too so it wont exactly be in anyones favour in my opinion.


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Old 17th Aug 2006, 17:16   #9
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Well, that's true Simon, but at the moment there's no proof that I was being tailgaited and thus intimidating me to get out of the way.

I mean, I can say that I was, but the driver of the car tailgaiting me isn't exactly going to say he was tailgaiting.

So it could be argued that I changed lanes for no reason, which of course is false.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 17:20   #10
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Well, that's true Simon, but at the moment there's no proof that I was being tailgaited and thus intimidating me to get out of the way.

I mean, I can say that I was, but the driver of the car tailgaiting me isn't exactly going to say he was tailgaiting.

So it could be argued that I changed lanes for no reason, which of course is false.
Tailgating isn't a reason to change lanes though. I don't want to get into to details here but you were accelerating hard from a services and a car behind you was faster.

Even so a lane change should have been checked like any other regardless of circumstances.


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Old 17th Aug 2006, 17:20   #11
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I have no idea what the actual situation is, but from what i gather someones persuing a claim against you, right? Are you in touch with a solicitor or is it just going back and forth between insurance companies at the moment?

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Old 17th Aug 2006, 17:31   #12
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I have no idea what the actual situation is, but from what i gather someones persuing a claim against you, right? Are you in touch with a solicitor or is it just going back and forth between insurance companies at the moment?
Yep and just insurance companies. Although the other party has got his solicitor involved.

Simon, if you mean checking blind spots, I did... twice.

Anyway, I know where you're coming from so let's leave it at that

Cheers for the input.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 18:37   #13
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Hi,

I don't know the ins and outs, but what I can tell you is that under the DP law dealing with CCTV, they only need to keep the data for 7 days. The same reel / tape / storgae is then reset for the 8th day (i.e. Mondays tape overwrites the previous Monday, tuesday overwrites the previous Tuesday, etc, etc)

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Old 17th Aug 2006, 20:34   #14
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not that its of much help

but i purposely make tail gaters wait for precisely this kind of reason. That its not wise to change lanes in a rush to get out of their way.

better for them to go into the back of you ( and it be automatically their fault) than for you to hit some1 else getting out of the way and be at fault yourself.

if they try and undertake, just accelerate and close the gap. because if the gap isnt big enough for you to pull over safely, then it wont be big enough for them to undertake you.


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Old 17th Aug 2006, 20:45   #15
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if they try and undertake, just accelerate and close the gap. because if the gap isnt big enough for you to pull over safely, then it wont be big enough for them to undertake you.
Or just back off and let the **** continue on his way without further provoking him to drive like a ***
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 20:56   #16
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depends on the situation i guess

if there was a clear road ahead of me, then i most probably would back off and let him by

but im not going to let some wreckess idiot pull into my braking distance when theres traffic in front of me going the same speed.


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Old 17th Aug 2006, 21:54   #17
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Can't see how you can prove you were being tailgated, do you not have any witnesses? Does he have witnesses to agree with his side of the story?

If you were at fault as result of his actions, but these can't be proved, I would accept blame and learn from it. You need concrete evidence when it comes to insurance companies.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 22:05   #18
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and tbh you will most probably still be at fault

as unless you were physically rammed off the road, then your liable for making a manoevre without checking your mirrors properly.

being tailgated or not, he did not physically cause you to crash. he caused you to panic, which in turn led to the crash, so hes not actually at fault.

insurance companies are very funny like this. i was hit on the wrong side of the road by a woman who crossed the white lines. she claimed i came too fast round the corner, i maintained that she was too far over and produced photos of the skid marks to proove it

but aparently as their were no indpendant witness' neither insurance company was willing to fight it, so we both had to claim on our own insurance policys (also known as knock for knock)

unless its concrete, the insurance companies dont want to know.


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Old 17th Aug 2006, 22:16   #19
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Yeah exactly what MrLOL said. I can't remember what the highway code says exactly, but its along the lines of ignoring them or pulling over when its safe to do so.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 23:09   #20
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Hi,

I don't know the ins and outs, but what I can tell you is that under the DP law dealing with CCTV, they only need to keep the data for 7 days. The same reel / tape / storgae is then reset for the 8th day (i.e. Mondays tape overwrites the previous Monday, tuesday overwrites the previous Tuesday, etc, etc)

Hope that helps
Thanks for the info. It's interesting to hear.

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Can't see how you can prove you were being tailgated, do you not have any witnesses? Does he have witnesses to agree with his side of the story?

If you were at fault as result of his actions, but these can't be proved, I would accept blame and learn from it. You need concrete evidence when it comes to insurance companies.
And that's what this thread is all about... my request for video footage to prove I was being tailgated. You've really been enjoying having a go at me these last few days haven't you?

I've asked 3 people to be witnesses, and they've all said they don't want to get involved. I suspect the third party has got several people to act as witnesses (although not independant, it's still going to look bad from my perspective).

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Cheers for the info, but I'm not claiming for anything. There's no damage to my car. It's the third party claiming off me.
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Old 18th Aug 2006, 00:01   #21
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i dont get the need to be so vague about things.


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Old 18th Aug 2006, 08:08   #22
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And that's what this thread is all about... my request for video footage to prove I was being tailgated. You've really been enjoying having a go at me these last few days haven't you?
Oh do me a favour, someone is a bit sensitive?

I can't see how saying you need concrete evidence to settle an insurance claim is having a go at you. I have replied to 2 of your threads. Firstly to question why you were being so vague about everything and secondly in reply to this question.

Anyway... how do you even know that CCTV footage exists. Surely not every inch of motorway is recorded?
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Old 18th Aug 2006, 08:10   #23
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Oh do me a favour, someone is a bit sensitive?

I can't see how saying you need concrete evidence to settle an insurance claim is having a go at you. I have replied to 2 of your threads. Firstly to question why you were being so vague about everything and secondly in reply to this question.

Anyway... how do you even know that CCTV footage exists. Surely not every inch of motorway is recorded?
Its not, CCTV motorway footage covers any major junction or interchange and service stations. The service station ones are controlled by the SS operators and not the council IIRC
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Cheers for the info, but I'm not claiming for anything. There's no damage to my car. It's the third party claiming off me.
missed that point


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Old 18th Aug 2006, 12:09   #25
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All cars involved met at the services and joined the motorway, no one even reached a steady speed before the accident happened. Now this, in my opinion, is not tailgating.

Anyway I won't say anymore but to be honest Andy, I don't think you have much to worry about as you didn't hit anyone.


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