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I was holding out for the 7950 but after seeing the quoted prices I just couldn't justify spending that much on one. Instead I managed to pick up a 2GB 6950 which I am told can be flashed or something to 6970 performance. Total price $235 (That's around 140 UK, living in the USA at the moment).
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Honestly i'm just tired of people complaining that 7970 is overpriced, it's priced where it should be, it's high end, and not everyone can afford it. Not everyone was able to afford 8800 Ultra. Looking at someone's logic prices should be £400, hell no, when gtx580 still costs the fortune, and is slower than 7970.
Everyone wishes to get the best of the best, but there is the price to pay, when OC'ed 7970 performs so well. Let's be honest most of us that's surfing this forums buys and OC'es their GPU's and CPU's. So getting 7970 for £400 would be awesome present. Blame NV that they're still keeping GTX580 so pricey. If i was a businessman (AMD in this case), i would charge premium for my product when there is no competition. NV was able to do this with their flagman, not many of you complained, so stop being childish now.
P.S. AMD is not 99p shop!
Childish? I suppose we can simply ignore the fact that the 7970 is priced like a card of the last generation, with regards to performance per £ not really improving at all? So you have the 7970 at £420, the 7950 at £350. Will the 7870 with its 6970 matching performance be £270, just like the 6970?
People are not complaining about the price. People are complaining about the Performancerice ratio. Simply put, this is not priced like a new generation product.
Childish? I suppose we can simply ignore the fact that the 7970 is priced like a card of the last generation, with regards to performance per £ not really improving at all? So you have the 7970 at £420, the 7950 at £350. Will the 7870 with its 6970 matching performance be £270, just like the 6970?
People are not complaining about the price. People are complaining about the Performancerice ratio. Simply put, this is not priced like a new generation product.
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Hummm, not sure he appreciated my help.
A 6970 can't, not from what I've seen, by all bells and whistles I'm expecting ULTRA, 8xAA and 16xAF with HBAO... and I don't believe it would run at 60fps?Easily. A 6970 can.
A 6970 can't, not from what I've seen, by all bells and whistles I'm expecting ULTRA, 8xAA and 16xAF with HBAO... and I don't believe it would run at 60fps?
The 7970 is faster than factory OCd GTX 580s and the GTX 580 3GB versions, it is also priced less in many cases. So it's price/performance ratio is better than the highest end last gen single GPU king. I am not arguing it is good value, but it is certainly better value than you imply.
You have mixed up your 78X0 range, the 7870 will be less than £230 MSRP, it is the 7890 that will be priced at HD 6970 levels. The HD 7890 will give ~ GTX 580 performance for ~ £275, yeah a real crap card at a crap price that will be.
The problem is that the 7970 is priced at the 6000 series level of performance per pound. If you find that GTX 580 performance for £275 is impressive 14 months on, then fair enough I suppose, but IMO it's pretty underwhelming, especially on a new process.
The GTX 580 is also overpriced compared to the rest of the range so that's why the 7970 looks remotely like it's a value proposition in comparison. But everyone knows that the top of the range in a generation gives diminishing returns compared to the mid-high segment.
I think that's where we differ - you're comparing the 7970 with just the GTX 580, I'm comparing it to how it performs to compared to all cards from the GTX 560Ti/6950 upwards.
People are not complaining about the price. People are complaining about the Performancerice ratio. Simply put, this is not priced like a new generation product.
I'd like to know where you got the exact specs and prices for these new cards.
Sorry, but you're basing every single one of your claims on this hypothetical list of next gen cards, not to the current lineup and no proven hard facts. There is no confirmed indication of the speeds or lineup of the 7800 series.
If you're going to take just the GTX 580 as a point of reference for the performance : price ratio then your data will be skewed.
Simple fact: 2 x 6950s beat a 7970 in price and performance. You cannot say price : performance ratio has improved with the 7970 at all, nothing, zip.
You pointed out no error of mine, you just failed to read my post.
edit: Oh and the fact that prices have barely moved in 14 months only proves my point further, if you think it through.
Wonder if it has dual bios/locked shaders?