Military coup in Turkey?

Rroff · 29 Jul 2016 at 16:14

Arazi said:
Wasn't it these Al Nusra scum that cut the head off a kid on the back of a small pick up truck?

Might have been Al Nusra front can't remember - there has been various reorganisation of the groups depending on how they aligned or not with IS.

Jabhat al Nusra have basically done what IS did - split off from AQ and renamed themselves towards their new goal of making Syria eventually part of the caliphate. (I think they are more working on the state/republic angle first off but all roads eventually lead to the caliphate thing).

Arazi · 29 Jul 2016 at 16:30

Rroff said:
Might have been Al Nusra front can't remember - there has been various reorganisation of the groups depending on how they aligned or not with IS.

Jabhat al Nusra have basically done what IS did - split off from AQ and renamed themselves towards their new goal of making Syria eventually part of the caliphate. (I think they are more working on the state/republic angle first off but all roads eventually lead to the caliphate thing).

I have recently been watching The Caliph on Aljazeera TV.

http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/the-caliph-islamic-history/

Very good watch.

Arazi · 29 Jul 2016 at 19:14

A cemetery for traitors according to this article:

http://www.france24.com/en/20160729-video-turkey-traitors-cemetery-coup-plotters

Arazi · 31 Jul 2016 at 14:28

Same NATO base again.

https://www.rt.com/news/354042-turkish-police-incirlik-nato-coup/

Rroff · 31 Jul 2016 at 14:33

Arazi said:
Same NATO base again.

https://www.rt.com/news/354042-turkish-police-incirlik-nato-coup/

That is gonna have some people nervous :S

Name · 31 Jul 2016 at 14:44

Worrying news. Nuclear armaments are held there i believe too.

Imagine being in the US armed forces stationed there and suddenly " Yeah there are 7,000 armored police completely surrounding the base" :eek:

Arazi · 31 Jul 2016 at 14:45

Rroff said:
That is gonna have some people nervous :S

It is strange also that we don't seem to get this news on UK news channels. I am presuming that base is going to have a lot of US personnel on it and UK, a bit strange to not be reporting on it.

Rroff · 31 Jul 2016 at 14:50

Arazi said:
It is strange also that we don't seem to get this news on UK news channels. I am presuming that base is going to have a lot of US personnel on it and UK, a bit strange to not be reporting on it.

From what I can make out it seems to be a bit of a mix up (atleast I hope so) - Turkish police bolstered security presence with impending "VIP" arrival seems to have triggered fears of another coup resulting in renewed build up of civilians protesters "concerned citizens" outside which has resulted in increased build up of police to manage it.

AFAIK the Turkish maintain the outer perimeter and there is a hardened inner perimeter defended by just over 2000 US personnel plus a bit over double that in US operational forces and the UK, German, etc. compliments that are a few hundred each.

dowie · 31 Jul 2016 at 14:52

Name said:
Worrying news. Nuclear armaments are held there i believe too.

Imagine being in the US armed forces stationed there and suddenly " Yeah there are 7,000 armored police completely surrounding the base"

They'd be pretty silly to try... every country in NATO would be on the case if Turkey went full Islamist and tried to seize the nukes. They're guarded by US personnel in reinforced bunkers. There are US marines on standby in Italy for general reaction to pretty much anything the US needs them for (since the Bengazi attacks basically). So there would be ground troops there pretty quickly and plenty of air support.

Rroff · 31 Jul 2016 at 14:56

dowie said:
They'd be pretty silly to try...

I can't really see them trying it - AFAIK there is around 30 B61 and about a dozen misc all unguided - while Turkey has the aircraft that can be reconfigured to use them it would take them quite a bit of time to rework everything to support using them - and it isn't like they'd just be left to do what they pleased in the mean time with nuclear warheads.

(Plus as you said the defensive forces are heavily dug in and capable of holding off a ground assault until reinforcements arrive from the med).

Longbow · 31 Jul 2016 at 15:07

Arazi said:
It is strange also that we don't seem to get this news on UK news channels. I am presuming that base is going to have a lot of US personnel on it and UK, a bit strange to not be reporting on it.

Possibly because what RT are claiming isn't true or cannot be verified: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/..._incirlik_air/d5xqsd8?st=iraojoxv&sh=91ec78a1

Arazi · 31 Jul 2016 at 15:30

Rroff said:
From what I can make out it seems to be a bit of a mix up (atleast I hope so) - Turkish police bolstered security presence with impending "VIP" arrival seems to have triggered fears of another coup resulting in renewed build up of civilians protesters "concerned citizens" outside which has resulted in increased build up of police to manage it.

AFAIK the Turkish maintain the outer perimeter and there is a hardened inner perimeter defended by just over 2000 US personnel plus a bit over double that in US operational forces and the UK, German, etc. compliments that are a few hundred each.

Thanks, hopefully it will die off unless it already has, one thing though i don't see this Nato base being out the news, i have a feeling something else will spark.

Arazi · 31 Jul 2016 at 15:32

dowie said:
They'd be pretty silly to try... every country in NATO would be on the case if Turkey went full Islamist and tried to seize the nukes. They're guarded by US personnel in reinforced bunkers. There are US marines on standby in Italy for general reaction to pretty much anything the US needs them for (since the Bengazi attacks basically). So there would be ground troops there pretty quickly and plenty of air support.

I wonder if this is what they are trying to provoke, or similar.

Rroff · 31 Jul 2016 at 15:54

Arazi said:
I wonder if this is what they are trying to provoke, or similar.

My gut feeling is it is designed to put pressure on US over Gulen.

elmuzzy66. · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:08

Turkey will do nothing to that base. The moment there's a serious credible threat the Americans will start dropping cruise missiles like its going out of fashion.

Rroff · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:33

elmuzzy66. said:
Turkey will do nothing to that base. The moment there's a serious credible threat the Americans will start dropping cruise missiles like its going out of fashion.

Which will be intercepted by Erdogan's new best mate Putin's S400 installation at Latakia.

I jest as the range of that installation only just covers the south part of Turkey and they simply wouldn't be able to deal with the volume of incoming missiles.

RaohNS · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:36

elmuzzy66. said:
Turkey will do nothing to that base. The moment there's a serious credible threat the Americans will start dropping cruise missiles like its going out of fashion.

Very unlikely.

Dis86 · 31 Jul 2016 at 16:36

RaohNS said:
Very unlikely.

Would be interesting!

RaohNS · 31 Jul 2016 at 17:10

Dis86 said:
Would be interesting!

Undoubtedly, but again very unlikely.

mmj_uk · 31 Jul 2016 at 19:59

http://www.news.com.au/world/report...e/news-story/4d7bb16e4e86842218b5b0d7d70f582b

Several of the aircraft used by coup forces during the failed uprising flew out of the Incirlik air base, which then had its power supply cut off for several weeks.

Well that's going to be very embarrassing for the west if there is any validity to it and this 'security inspection' can prove NATO involvement in the coup attempt.