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It says even more when engine suppliers would rather see teams exit the sport than sell them an engine.
Russian Grand Prix 2015, Sochi - Race 15/19
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It says even more when engine suppliers would rather see teams exit the sport than sell them an engine.
One way to ensure you beat RBR is by making sure RBR dont compete...
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Would any of the other suppliers want to deal with RBR after the noise they've kicked up this year with Renault?
I can imagine they get a new block from someone else, the first time something goes wrong with it and the blame game starts again.
I can imagine they get a new block from someone else, the first time something goes wrong with it and the blame game starts again.
It think the whole 'blame game' thing is being blown out of proportion a bit.
Renault have delivered an under performing and unreliable engine, that is not being questioned by anyone, including Renault themselves.
Its not like RBR are throwing blame around at people undeserving of it to cover off their own failings. RBR are blaming Renault because its Renaults fault. They are a customer, they have decided to take their business elsewhere (well, try).
Mercedes had some brake failures last year and quite promptly dropped that supplier. Wasn't it Ferrari who had some electronics problems recently and changed a supplier? Teams will gladly throw out suppliers who they feel aren't performing, its just that the engine is quite a big component so it gets a lot of press.
Lotus ditched Renault engines and got a Mercedes supply because the felt the Renault was crap. Nobody was accusing them of a blame game?
Renault have delivered an under performing and unreliable engine, that is not being questioned by anyone, including Renault themselves.
Its not like RBR are throwing blame around at people undeserving of it to cover off their own failings. RBR are blaming Renault because its Renaults fault. They are a customer, they have decided to take their business elsewhere (well, try).
Mercedes had some brake failures last year and quite promptly dropped that supplier. Wasn't it Ferrari who had some electronics problems recently and changed a supplier? Teams will gladly throw out suppliers who they feel aren't performing, its just that the engine is quite a big component so it gets a lot of press.
Lotus ditched Renault engines and got a Mercedes supply because the felt the Renault was crap. Nobody was accusing them of a blame game?
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The difference between those situations and the RBR situation is that Renault were a *huge* part of the success of RBR and got relatively little mention while they were dominant. The millisecond that RBR stopped being at the front, it was nothing but "Blame Renault" out of the team.
Lotus switched engine suppliers with a bit of respect and decorum. It really isn't too much to ask for Red Bull to do the same.
There's a big difference between switching engine suppliers because you think you'll get a better engine, and spending most of the season publicly lambasting your engine partner in the press and on TV.
Even the fractious relationship between Honda and McLaren has been kept mostly behind the scenes, but Renault helped RBR to how many world titles? You'd think that would buy a little respect when things get difficult.
Whatever happened to "win as a team, lose as a team"? It doesn't exist as far as RBR are concerned, and one of the reasons other engine suppliers don't want to be in the same position of being publicly slated if things go wrong.
Even the fractious relationship between Honda and McLaren has been kept mostly behind the scenes, but Renault helped RBR to how many world titles? You'd think that would buy a little respect when things get difficult.
Whatever happened to "win as a team, lose as a team"? It doesn't exist as far as RBR are concerned, and one of the reasons other engine suppliers don't want to be in the same position of being publicly slated if things go wrong.
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I agree. It's the same when McLaren went with Merc. The engines was breaking down a lot but you never heard any moaning from RON.
RB should have got in with cosworth and made their own engine.
"GP2 Engine! RAAAAR!!"
The McLaren drivers feelings towards Honda have been more public than anything said by RBR about Renault.
RBR got free Renault engines in return for having Infiniti as the title sponsor (as part of the Renault-Nissan partnership).
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