Angela Merkel and her decisions

Arazi · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:00

Merkel is calling for a ban on the full face veil.

This must be the first thing i have heard her say in over two years that sounds reasonable. Is this to boost her re-election chances or a genuine act and nothing to do with the upcoming elections in Germany?

“The full-face veil must be banned, wherever it is legally possible,” she told delegates in Essen, sparking enthusiastic applause.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ugee-crisis-elections-term-vote-a7458536.html

Either way, about time.

cainer · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:05

"wherever it is legally possible"

sounds like a get out clause

izzop · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:05

LOL....

Far, far too late IMO. Talk about closing the gate after the horse has bolted!

This I think is just a mere token gesture due to the forth coming elections, but it won't make a blind bit of difference regarding her chances of winning.

Arazi · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:09

cainer said:
"wherever it is legally possible"

sounds like a get out clause

I was thinking that, she gets re-elected and then decides it is illegal to ban it

I don't think that would go down to well.

I wouldn't put it past her.

mmj_uk · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:09

Arazi said:
Is this to boost her re-election chances or a genuine act and nothing to do with the upcoming elections in Germany?

Probably... but normal German's will be more worried about the migrant sexual assault/rape epidemic rather than full face Burkha's at this point. It's too little too late.

RaohNS · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:10

She never said that of her own free will

Voicon · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:19

It's a start I suppose,

It annoys me when people come to the UK been here for 5-10 years and still can't speak English as well. We should follow the other countries and have a citizenship test.

Roar87 · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:19

izzop said:
LOL....

Far, far too late IMO. Talk about closing the gate after the horse has bolted

At this point the Horse has been wild for years, it has raised a family and is looking at retiring somewhere warm to enjoy it's twilight years.

This is the most obvious desperate appeal for votes there has ever been and ever will be.

wordy · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:21

Roar87 said:
This is the most obvious desperate appeal for votes there has ever been and ever will be.

Northern Powerhouse?

But yeah Merkel's comment certainly ranks up there with the best of them.

Uther · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:23

Hopefully the German voters will see right through it.If ever a leader needed to go it's Merkel. She's caused a disaster in Europe.

WillyNelson · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:27

Why should it be banned though? As long as it is worn through free will I honestly don;t see any problems that can't be surpassed by a bit of common sense on both sides.

If I chose to wear a balaclava about town and wasn't up to any wrongdoing, what possible reason would someone have to want me to remove it other than they didn't like me wearing it.

p4radox · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:30

Arazi said:
This must be the first thing i have heard her say in over two years that sounds reasonable.

I think I can probably guess where you get your news from, then.

tom_e · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:32

Voicon said:
It's a start I suppose,

It annoys me when people come to the UK been here for 5-10 years and still can't speak English as well. We should follow the other countries and have a citizenship test.

We do.

https://www.gov.uk/life-in-the-uk-test

B@Th*nG · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:34

p4radox said:
I think I can probably guess where you get your news from, then.

This is EXACTLY what i was thinking. The impression some of the British have of Merkel is solely derived from whatever crap rag they read. The Germans are not fools and have a more left-wing media than we do, and it's still centre-right. She's a far better leader than most people give her credit for and the negative feeling towards her in this country has been generated from home-grown media self-interest.

B@

fez · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:38

B@Th*nG said:
This is EXACTLY what i was thinking. The impression some of the British have of Merkel is solely derived from whatever crap rag they read. The Germans are not fools and have a more left-wing media than we do, and it's still centre-right. She's a far better leader than most people give her credit for and the negative feeling towards her in this country has been generated from home-grown media self-interest.

B@

I'm pretty sure she isn't wildly popular in Germany like she once was or am I mistaken.

aardvark · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:42

WillyNelson said:
As long as it is worn through free will

is it though?????? really?????????

its a tool of oppression, nothing to do with the Koran.

Hades · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:43

I'd frankly be shocked if she's re-elected.

I am confliced on this issue though. One half of me says it's oppressive and divisive and should be banned. But ultimately I can't support the law telling people what they must or mustn't wear.

XeNoN89 · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:44

Should be banned here too. Only full face coverings though, got no issues with ones that just cover the head

p4radox · 6 Dec 2016 at 13:57

B@Th*nG said:
This is EXACTLY what i was thinking. The impression some of the British have of Merkel is solely derived from whatever crap rag they read. The Germans are not fools and have a more left-wing media than we do, and it's still centre-right. She's a far better leader than most people give her credit for and the negative feeling towards her in this country has been generated from home-grown media self-interest.

B@

And unfortunately it probably renders any sensible debate with whoever holds that view totally pointless. If they can make such an obviously ridiculous statement about Merkel they're probably already too entrenched to see reason.

Avenged7Fold · 6 Dec 2016 at 14:11

XeNoN89 said:
Should be banned here too. Only full face coverings though, got no issues with ones that just cover the head

To what purpose though?

You can talk about it being used as a tool of oppression or whatever, at least that argument can hold some water but lets not pretend that banning it will improve security.

There are positives with doing away with it but an introduction of the ban will cause more friction and will result in a law which alienates one group and is not enforced due to 'complications'.