New Formula 1 2017 Aero Rules!

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Oh dear...

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122947

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122950

2017 cars will be wider, longer and heavier. Tyres will be wider, but front wings will be bigger, swept, and more complex, rear wings will be lower, wider and more complex, barge board and on body aero will be more complex, and the diffuser will be wider, longer, higher and more complex.

The result? Faster cars (due to aero)... that are impossible to follow or overtake (due to aero).

WELL DONE FIA!

*slow golf clap*

However, the stated intentions do not included improving overtaking, and many of these changes reverse the work done by the Overtaking Working Group back in 2009.

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So the 2017 rule change to encourage more overtaking by reducing aero grip is going to do exactly the opposite of that AND they're going to bring in a stupid flip-flop above the drivers head.

Amazing.

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Its so frustrating. They start off ok with the wider tires and wider cars, and then ruin it all by making the aero more complex.

It feels like literally everyone outside of the decision making room can see the solution (more mechanical grip, less aero grip, ground effect, etc), yet those inside are completely blind to it all.

The mandated "swept-ness" of it all feels very contrived and forced as a way to make the cars look different.
 
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Ted was quite passionate about the whole state of the 2017 rules and the changes to qualifying this morning on Sky Sports News. As he rightly said, F1 bosses are completely out of touch with what fans want.

I predict the next Overtaking Working Group to be formed in 2020.
 
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Its so frustrating. They start off ok with the wider tires and wider cars, and then ruin it all by making the aero more complex.

It feels like literally everyone outside of the decision making room can see the solution (more mechanical grip, less aero grip, ground effect, etc), yet those inside are completely blind to it all.

The mandated "swept-ness" of it all feels very contrived and forced as a way to make the cars look different.

In what way are the wings more complex? In what way is there not more mechanical grip with wider tires? The wing will be curved rather than straight.... zomg, kill everyone it's a disaster... in reality it will make almost zero difference just make the front end less boxy and a bit sleeker and probably nicer looking.
 
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You've not read the proposed changes have you? Both wings will be wider, deeper and have the same or more complexity, and the diffuser is getting longer, wider and taller. The exclusion zone that removed the complex barge boards and sidepod wingles, flip ups and other appendages is also being removed.

All the changes they made in 2009 are being reversed. Mechanical grip increases will be negated by the increased turbulence and reliance on aero making it even more impossible to follow closely.
 
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I predict the next Overtaking Working Group to be formed in 2020.

Does it really matter, when they'll just get the same old morons in?
You can never be surprised, when you hear that F1 rules have come out, that are stupid. Surely this HAS to stop eventually though?
They've had their fun, now roll over and die, and let some fresh thinking people in.
 
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Sigh they really don't have a clue. There's no overall plan, no long term vision of what they want to do or where they want to go. They're constantly chasing their tails because Bernie only cares about money, not the Show (although you'd think one would preclude the other but in F1 that's rarely been the case), both Max, Bernie and in some respects Jean Todt made the incredibly stupid and truly idiotic step of letting the teams have some say in the rules, knowing fine well (or at least they should have known) that getting unanimous agreement on ANYTHING would be next to impossible as they only care about any advantage they can get from the rules and trying to negate any advantage they think everyone else can get. The whole bloody lot needs overhauled with someone to come in, tell the teams to STFU, work out what needs to be done to improve the show (closer racing, however that can be attained and cheaper for the smaller teams) and come up with a plan so other manufacturers can see a long term, five year+ plan so they can see and work out how much it's going to cost and work out the benefits. It's all a monumental **** up at the moment but because of some terrible decisions there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.
 
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*sigh*

Wider tyres... great.
Would prefer smaller wings, potentially no wings. Just a reduction of aero.

Still, wanted faster cars and more overtaking... well that's failed. Sounds like there's a lot of Red Bull influence in these.

Looking forward to the wider cars around monaco though......
 
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You've not read the proposed changes have you? Both wings will be wider, deeper and have the same or more complexity, and the diffuser is getting longer, wider and taller. The exclusion zone that removed the complex barge boards and sidepod wingles, flip ups and other appendages is also being removed.

All the changes they made in 2009 are being reversed. Mechanical grip increases will be negated by the increased turbulence and reliance on aero making it even more impossible to follow closely.

The barge boards aren't really about downforce but airflow conditioning... they will help the car condition the air going over the body and into the diffuser... this will increase the ability to extract downforce in dirty air, not reduce it.

The wings being wider reduces complexity. The massive majority of all the complexity in the front wing is there precisely because narrower wing means they have to work harder to get the air to go around the tire. With a wider wing that extends to the edge of the tire the wing will have to work far less hard to push the air past the tire. On top of that the rules specifically state less complexity in the end plate.

Wider diffuser, wider wings means more reliable and easy to apply downforce, again dirty air should have a smaller effect.

Wider tires = more mechanical grip. One of the biggest problems right now is not following in corners but regardless of the car you will see the lead car get better traction out of a corner, wider tires will help make traction out of corners easier.

Two more key factors people overlook entirely. One is that we see plenty of overtakes by cars following. Hamilton didn't lose performance following Vettel closely a week after Rosberg whined publicly and loudly about not trying to pass Hamilton because it's too hard to follow.

Barcelona is simply a bad track for overtaking regardless, at other tracks Hamilton had no problem overtaking and neither did loads of other cars. Those who complain loudest about following being a problem are making excuses. Making an excuse doesn't mean the problem is actually as bad as they make out.

Another factor people simply ignore is drag... we have cars with 5, 10, 20 or 30 years more experience and knowledge being made compared to however far in the past. People used to stick a massive wing on and get loads of downforce WITH loads of drag. so the lead car was banging down the straight with heavy drag and a huge disadvantage compared to the guy slipstreaming. The cars being better designed with less drag means the lead car has less drag and less disadvantage than they did in the past.

Merc struggles to pass the williams on a straight because it's a low drag design more than because the Merc struggles for grip. 10 years ago Williams would probably lose an extra 10-20kph from drag and the car behind would have a greater slipstream effect also(because reduction in drag would be higher in that era).

It's not purely a following car issue, 10 years ago the car behind might lose 20kph due to drag and the car behind might gain 15kph to slipstreaming. Today the car ahead loses 10kph due to drag and the car behind only gains 5kph due to slipstreaming.

Cars are better and more advanced than they used to be, this will ALWAYS be true now. 30 years ago you didn't have guys doing fluid dynamics/aero degrees being taught by aero guys with 30 years experience in the industry... today you do. Regardless of the rule set the cars and knowledge will never go back to any particular golden era.


Fans knowledge of what is going on is also a problem, they all think they know both what the rules mean and how to fix it and by and for the most part neither are true. Despite the rules dictating less complexity in the end plate and despite the narrowness of the wings being the primary cause of the current complexity you believe the new rules mean more complex front wings.......
 
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For all the money and supposedly intelligent people in F1, I've never seen any sport run as utterly incompetently as this. Totally clueless.
 
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If you put a lot of selfish intelligent people together who will never in a million years agree on anything, it makes sense that only the stupid stuff makes it out.
 
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This kind of slipped through the net a bit with all the other stupidity floating around the F1 Padock, but these 2017 aero regulations were approved by the World Motorsport Council last week, so this is what the 2017 car will look like.

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