Spirals in tubing?

Choaski · 27 Sep 2016 at 19:09

Other then a place called "Shop From China" does anyone know of any tools that can be bought at least within the EU to create spirals in my loop? Whilst I don't mind risking this other website, I'd much rather not pay £60 for a tool I may only use once or twice

EDIT: £90 after shipping

Bluntwrapped · 29 Sep 2016 at 08:01

For hard line tubing?

Choaski · 30 Sep 2016 at 18:10

Bluntwrapped said:
For hard line tubing?

Correct

Smffy · 3 Oct 2016 at 10:27

Specialist tool called a silicon rolling pin. Literally wrap it round that - you'll need quite a lengthy insert to do a good job on it. Beer bottle would also work.

VKleita · 3 Oct 2016 at 14:40

Oh wow, I would love to see Pics of this when you are done!

Get that old "Mad Scientist" look going on

Doobedoo · 3 Oct 2016 at 15:37

I'm a little annoyed because it wasn't that long a go I thought about this very same thing as I've never seen anyone do it. Grr beaten to it lol.

Would love to see the results though chap.

Smffy · 3 Oct 2016 at 17:35

Pretty sure I remember seeing some of the Monsoon/Primochill YouTube vids doing it...

Bluntwrapped · 4 Oct 2016 at 09:07

Don't know if such a tool exists for bending tube in spirals but if you know anyone with a wood working lathe maybe you could have one turned for you. Those decorative pieces you find on a wooden staircase might do the trick lol.

BluD · 4 Oct 2016 at 10:39

Doobedoo said:
I'm a little annoyed because it wasn't that long a go I thought about this very same thing as I've never seen anyone do it. Grr beaten to it lol.

Would love to see the results though chap.

Don't feel bad, I'm pretty sure we've all thought of doing it at some point, I thought of wrapping the pipe around a cylinder slightly larger than a tube res then leaving ya with a perfect place to put your tube res inside, with a dual loop it would look even better as you could have each loop wrapped around the others tube res leaving you with a contrast between the spiral and th res, or an even madder idea would be to to one loop with a clockwise spiral and the other anti clockwise so you could thread them together.

There's load of cool directions you could go with this, I look forward to seeing the results.

Legend · 4 Oct 2016 at 11:35

I can't imagine this would be an easy thing to do... at least not in terms of getting it to look perfect... you'd have to get the space between the each turn exact and the angles spot on etc... it would take some very skillful work to pull this off, but I don't doubt the end result would be VERY impressive indeed if done right.

.:SAmSuNG:. · 4 Oct 2016 at 11:39

BluD said:
Don't feel bad, I'm pretty sure we've all thought of doing it at some point, I thought of wrapping the pipe around a cylinder slightly larger than a tube res then leaving ya with a perfect place to put your tube res inside, with a dual loop it would look even better as you could have each loop wrapped around the others tube res leaving you with a contrast between the spiral and th res, or an even madder idea would be to to one loop with a clockwise spiral and the other anti clockwise so you could thread them together.

There's load of cool directions you could go with this, I look forward to seeing the results.

Thought exactly the same thing. Got a pic of the proper tool?

Choaski · 4 Oct 2016 at 16:21

Doobedoo said:
I'm a little annoyed because it wasn't that long a go I thought about this very same thing as I've never seen anyone do it. Grr beaten to it lol.

Would love to see the results though chap.

It's already been done

Can't remember the name of the modder who did it though.

Bluntwrapped said:
Don't know if such a tool exists for bending tube in spirals but if you know anyone with a wood working lathe maybe you could have one turned for you. Those decorative pieces you find on a wooden staircase might do the trick lol.

The wooden staircase isn't a bad idea, doubt it would hold out for consistency though xD, a tool does exist but it's like 80£ inc shipping from a website that takes payment via BACS which scares the hell out of me.

Legend said:
I can't imagine this would be an easy thing to do... at least not in terms of getting it to look perfect... you'd have to get the space between the each turn exact and the angles spot on etc... it would take some very skillful work to pull this off, but I don't doubt the end result would be VERY impressive indeed if done right.

No skill needed, if I can locate the tool.

I'v asked a 3D modeler to help me with this who has done some amazing work and helped design a replica object, going to just get it printed out and hope it can take the heat!

Choaski · 4 Oct 2016 at 18:00

Test 1: It's not pretty...

http://imgur.com/a/nW1G8

EDIT: Where can I buy Silicon Inserts ?

Smffy · 4 Oct 2016 at 20:19

Did you seriously do it without the insert?? I don't know where you would get one long enough but probably a job for the bay as its not going to be specifically for the normal use. Its going to be tough to do a lot of twists realistically, its not impossible just not so easy.

Greebo · 4 Oct 2016 at 20:35

Nice spiral reservoirs can be done too

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?225003-T-Virus-Inverse-Res-finally&

Bluntwrapped · 4 Oct 2016 at 20:37

http://www.instructables.com/id/Spiral-Cut-a-Wooden-Dowel-Using-a-Table-Saw/

Do you have access to a table saw or do you know anyone who does and you could ask a favour?

Could be ideal since you can customise the spiral as much or as little as you need.

BluD · 4 Oct 2016 at 20:50

I would think if its too long there will be a lot of friction, only a guess as ive never used one. Looking at the primochill one they have a hole through the middle, maybe you could thread a thin rope through it and tie a knot at one end and maybe pop a washer on it so it doesnt pull back though the pipe, then you could just slowely pull it through the pipe as your working your way around the bends.

Without ever trying it i dont know how hard the inserts are to pull through though so its all just guesswork.

BluD · 4 Oct 2016 at 20:52

Greebo said:
Nice spiral reservoirs can be done too

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?225003-T-Virus-Inverse-Res-finally&

Yeah i thought sumone else would have thought it, them tube reservoirs are just asking for a spiral.

Choaski · 5 Oct 2016 at 01:49

Smffy said:
Did you seriously do it without the insert?? I don't know where you would get one long enough but probably a job for the bay as its not going to be specifically for the normal use. Its going to be tough to do a lot of twists realistically, its not impossible just not so easy.

No, but because of how tight that was (bending around a 50mm bottle) it wouldn't allow the insert to come back out, re-sizing the tool to be 8cm wide, going to order it when I know more about 3D Printing materials

Bluntwrapped said:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Spiral-Cut-a-Wooden-Dowel-Using-a-Table-Saw/

Do you have access to a table saw or do you know anyone who does and you could ask a favour?

Could be ideal since you can customise the spiral as much or as little as you need.

Ha, if I was able to do that, I would have made a tool myself

BluD said:
I would think if its too long there will be a lot of friction, only a guess as ive never used one. Looking at the primochill one they have a hole through the middle, maybe you could thread a thin rope through it and tie a knot at one end and maybe pop a washer on it so it doesnt pull back though the pipe, then you could just slowely pull it through the pipe as your working your way around the bends.

Without ever trying it i dont know how hard the inserts are to pull through though so its all just guesswork.

Yeah, I think lenght does play a part but in this case, the bend was just too tight, maybe I should have lubed it up with something before hand...

EDIT: Found a 1m long insert which comes ~8th Zzzz, guess it gives time for the tool to be printed and posted!

Smffy · 5 Oct 2016 at 10:58

Choaski said:
No, but because of how tight that was (bending around a 50mm bottle) it wouldn't allow the insert to come back out, re-sizing the tool to be 8cm wide, going to order it when I know more about 3D Printing materials

Just lube the insert with olive oil... Works a treat, washes out easy, high burning point. Dont think you need the tool as much as you think but it wont hurt - probably need to sand the 3D printed output smooth to avoid marking the soft hot tube as it can be quite rough when printed I think.