** RAIJINTEK RMA PROCEDURE AT OCUK - IMPORTANT **

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Hi Guys

Over the past few weeks we have had a few isolated incidents of Raijintek Triton failures. As a reseller that sells a lot of cooling products, this sort of thing is not uncommon as we sell hundreds of coolers from brands like Corsair and NZXT who all have liquid coolers available.

Recently a lot of customers have expressed their concerns about the way that Raijintek failures have been handled. Obviously Raijintek are a new company and are finding their feet with things like customer service etc.

OcUK expects every brand we sell to offer the best level of customer service possible but for smaller brands like Raijintek, this is not always possible as they dont have a huge support infrastructure in place.

This is where we come in.

The thread in question is in the watercooling section if you are interested in reading it. Long and short of it is that the customer had a problem, sent his affected components back for testing and we couldnt find a fault.

I will hold my hands up and say this:

We haven't handled this well. At all.

Overclockers UK has spent the past few years striving to achieve the best reputation possible in terms of customer service and stuff like this really doesn't help our case.

When a new brand like Raijintek comes along where we are supported heavily by them, it is our interest to figure out logical and fair returns procedures that benefit customers.
This sometimes takes time to implement and is the reason that things haven't ran smoothly up until now. We have negotiated terms that will ultimately benefit everyone and it means that we can process returns much more efficiently than previously.

Our only goal here is to ensure that everybody is happy and that the confidence in the brand is not shaken.

Customer experience is everything here and although the percentage of customers who have had a Triton failure is very small, their voice is being heard the loudest!

From now on, this procedure applies to all Raijintek Watercooling products:

If your Triton Cooler has a failure within the warranty term, then please contact OcUK and we will arrange a replacement immediately.

If your cooler has damaged other hardware, then please send that back too. Regardless of where you purchased the products.

We are under obligation to check the product for user errors or interference.
If the product has failed as a result of user error then we will advise this in the same way we would for any other product.

If the product has failed then it will be replaced immediately by OcUK

If the product has failed and affected other hardware, we will report this to Raijintek who will replace any damaged hardware as quickly as possible.


I must highlight that the Triton is not compatible with specialist coolants such as Pastel or Aurora from Mayhems or any Glycol based coolants. Using these will void your warranty. Should you wish to refill the cooler, you should use distilled water, a pure water coolant like mayhems H2O perhaps with a dye or a coloured transparent pre mix.



I would like to offer my sincere apologies to anyone impacted by this up until now. I am a hardware enthusiast too and I know that downtime on your system sucks big time.

We have acted on this as quickly as OcUK and Raijintek have physically been able to and can assure you that our new procedures with Raijintek have been carefully considered to ensure nobody has problems like this again.

For anyone who has experienced a customer service issue with their Triton cooler then please contact me via trust with your order number and RMA number briefly outlining what happened and I will arrange something for you.

Currently our return rate on the Triton is amongst the lowest of any other AIO cooler we sell.

As usual, I am happy to answer any questions and help where possible.
 

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Better late than never but i would still not buy any of there products after this fiasco.

what fiasco? A small amount of users have been impacted by this, we have resolved it with the assistance of the manufacturer.

if you read the OP then you will see that we have clearly acknowledged that we didn't do enough. Changing our processes to cater for customers better is hardly a fiasco.

I would be surprised that you are blowing this out of proportion slightly but then I have never seen you post anything positive anyway.
 
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what fiasco? A small amount of users have been impacted by this, we have resolved it with the assistance of the manufacturer.

if you read the OP then you will see that we have clearly acknowledged that we didn't do enough. Changing our processes to cater for customers better is hardly a fiasco.

I would be surprised that you are blowing this out of proportion slightly but then I have never seen you post anything positive anyway.

RJK with all due respect please come out of damage limitation mode. It has been a fiasco and I personally wouldn't touch one of these coolers with a barge pole. It appears that things only started moving along when a thread got some attention, I wonder if it had been sorted so soon had that thread not got so much attention, I have seen that happen a lot lately.

I think the advice has to be stay away form these coolers and you shouldn't have any issues...
 

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RJK with all due respect please come out of damage limitation mode. It has been a fiasco and I personally wouldn't touch one of these coolers with a barge pole. It appears that things only started moving along when a thread got some attention, I wonder if it had been sorted so soon had that thread not got so much attention, I have seen that happen a lot lately.

I think the advice has to be stay away form these coolers and you shouldn't have any issues...

not at all. There has been damage done which we are not shirking or denying. When Corsair launched the H50, there were multiple threads on leaks and other problems, it took them months to sort it out and deal with consequential losses.

We have acted as quick as we can to sort this out. It really has been a mess to start with and in hindsight we should have done more to accelerate the way our team dealt with this.

we aren't perfect. we know that. but we saw an area we could improve and we have acted on it in the best way we can.

I'm as blunt as they come and if there was a high return rate on these products then I would simply have pulled them from sale.

What has happened is that the few products that have been faulty have been dealt with poorly. This has been addressed now and won't happen in future.

so you have some figures to go off:

Triton Return rate: around 5%
Antec Return Rate: around 6%
Corsair Return Rate: around 5%
CoolerMaster Return Rate: around 6%
NZXT Return Rate: around 4%
Asetek/Tech Labs Return Rate: 1%

These are only units confirmed as faulty and dont include DSR or whatever else.

Around 1.5% of the Triton figures also account the returns from the first revision product which had some DOA issues as well as two cases of leaks in transit.


So the figures arent really any more alarming than any other brand, it just hasn't been handled well which we have both admitted and rectified.

Ultimately, I have to make decisions based on facts and whilst there have been end users who have had bad experiences with the product, the percentage is inkeeping with the rest of our catalogue.

We aren't ignoring it and OcUK and Raijintek have spent the past few weeks pulling this together so that we have an established procedure in place to resolve problems better than we have been doing.


Just to double check RJK, it's OK to use de-ionised water with this cooler, and Mayhems Blood Red dye concentrate?

Yes, deionised and any dye or concentrate is fine as long as it is a transparent coolant. Use of opaque coolants or more specialist coolants can cause problems and is not covered under warranty.
 
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I would be surprised that you are blowing this out of proportion slightly but then I have never seen you post anything positive anyway.

You had the moral high ground, then you lost it with that unnecessary comment. People have different perspectives; it shouldn't be a surprise if some of those aren't complimentary.

On a personal note - well done. I think OCUK have taken the right decision for the customer.
 
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The failure rate is not really the issue is it rjk? The issue is the customer service following the failure of a unit which obviously will vary from brand to brand. It appears that Raijintek being a relatively new and small company have not handled matters particularly well when it came to the failure of their units.

In the case of AIO coolers it is something that is perhaps more important because it is a product that has the potential to leak and damage your other components moreso than any other component you might put into your system.
 

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The failure rate is not really the issue is it rjk? The issue is the customer service following the failure of a unit which obviously will vary from brand to brand. It appears that Raijintek being a relatively new and small company have not handled matters particularly well when it came to the failure of their units.

In the case of AIO coolers it is something that is perhaps more important because it is a product that has the potential to leak and damage your other components moreso than any other component you might put into your system.

absolutely agree. It isn't at all, but it should at least be addressed.

the main concern here is people saying they wouldn't touch these because of the failures. I posted the failure rates to give an honest overview of what we see across our entire range.

as I stated, I would have removed them from sale if the failure rate had gone above a certain level [we usually raise concern at around 8% and remove from sale and refer to the manufacturer at around 10% just so its clear]

So whilst the failure rate isn't the question here, it is something that needed addressing so people could see the stats.

Moving onto the service around the product, obviously its highlighted in the OP really.
One customer got messed about a lot. That certainly isn't what we want and is the whole point of this thread. We had nothing in place to rectify the issue and now we do.

So the service level has changed to ensure it doesn't happen again and that the CS we offer on the Triton will be on par or better than that of other brands. The failure percentage is no different to any other AIO either so there is no reason not to consider one now other than holding a grudge on someone else's behalf.

We have taken on board what we did wrong and have done everything we can to make sure it doesn't happen again. This could have just been implemented behind closed doors but I wanted to do it publicly so there is full disclosure on both how we are handling the situation now, and moving forward.
 
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Im gonna throw my 2 pence in on this and say well done to ocuk for sorting it out in the end.

Fair enough it wasnt done quickly enough (ive followed the thread) but its sorted now and the customer is i assume happy with his new board and ocuk have publicly appologised and put things in place to make sure it doesnt happen again or at least is sorted out as quckly as possible where as a lot of companys would have ignored the situation, deleted the thread and hoped it went away.

I do agree with some of the other posters that rajintecks image has been damaged in the process however and it will take a while to regain customer confidence.
 
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Im gonna throw my 2 pence in on this and say well done to ocuk for sorting it out in the end.

Fair enough it wasnt done quickly enough (ive followed the thread) but its sorted now and the customer is i assume happy with his new board and ocuk have publicly appologised and put things in place to make sure it doesnt happen again or at least is sorted out as quckly as possible where as a lot of companys would have ignored the situation, deleted the thread and hoped it went away.

I do agree with some of the other posters that rajintecks image has been damaged in the process however and it will take a while to regain customer confidence.

It would have been worse if they were a larger company. Thankfully they are still a growing company which doesn't have a fully established support structure yet. Smaller companies tend to learn from their mistakes better than larger ones. Although i wouldn't buy a water cooler from them again, i would happily consider their other products. They did right by me in the end and have learnt from it. OcUK have made improvements too, it ultimately makes things ever more better for us customers and enthusiasts alike.
 
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A return rate of 1 in 20 doesn't fill me with much confidence from Rajintek tbh, sure others are higher... but still. Would like to know the %age of returns are due to leaks!
 
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