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Old 13th Jun 2008, 11:58   #1
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Does your university cap resits at the pass mark, or give you zero?

Need a quick survey of different universities....

Basically, I've got my degree results today, and found out that my second year resits were automatically given zero, rather than being capped at a pass mark. This seems ridiculously harsh to me, seeing as how badly it will screw up any average. It takes me from a 2:1 to a 2:2....

From a quick browse of other university websites it seems they cap at 40% or whatever the pass mark is. I'm looking to appeal my degree classification, and so it would be good if I could also point out other universities don't use this zero rule (or maybe some do, I don't know yet...) then it might add weight to my appeal.

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Old 13th Jun 2008, 11:59   #2
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0% seems very harsh. When I went to Swansea, resits were capped at 40%.

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Old 13th Jun 2008, 12:03   #3
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what do you mean by capped? lowest grade you can achieve without a fail?

My uni its an E3 which I think is about 30% but it means you lose your honours
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 12:07   #4
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how can it be capped at 0%? surely that means that taking the resit is totally pointless?

and at mine its capped at 40%
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 12:10   #6
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how can it be capped at 0%? surely that means that taking the resit is totally pointless?

and at mine its capped at 40%
It's "only used for progression purposes" apparently. It's completely ridiculous. I messed up my second year, so I worked my arse off this year, got a high 2:1 average, but I get a 2:2 because of my resits in the second year. It means doing anything in the third year is pointless basically. My tutor basically just said "that's how the system is" and told me how someone he knew had got all 2:1s, except one exam, which he resit (and thus got zero), and he ended up with a 2:2 overall! He just sorta said "we all thought it was injust but there was nothing we could do". Complete bull****, of course there's something you can do, you can flippin' change the rules. He said they had the rule because of "legality" or some rubbish. It basically means if you mess up your second year you have zero (literally) chance of getting a 2:1 in the third year.
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 12:56   #8
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I think when I was at Nottingham Uni you had to pass the resit but were given the marks you originally failed with, never had to do one but this is what I heard.


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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:01   #9
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It's "only used for progression purposes" apparently. It's completely ridiculous. I messed up my second year, so I worked my arse off this year, got a high 2:1 average, but I get a 2:2 because of my resits in the second year. It means doing anything in the third year is pointless basically. My tutor basically just said "that's how the system is" and told me how someone he knew had got all 2:1s, except one exam, which he resit (and thus got zero), and he ended up with a 2:2 overall! He just sorta said "we all thought it was injust but there was nothing we could do". Complete bull****, of course there's something you can do, you can flippin' change the rules. He said they had the rule because of "legality" or some rubbish. It basically means if you mess up your second year you have zero (literally) chance of getting a 2:1 in the third year.
What's the point in doing a re sit then? My tutor / lecturers have never said this?? Thankfully I just found out my result a few hours ago - my tutor was kind enough to email them! Good old Dr Ray!

As far as I was aware (pointed about by Prof Bennett) if you re-sit you're capped at 40% and no greater. You get 40%, not 0%. Unless we've been lied to, but my school is different. Is it a Uni wide thing or do different schools in the Uni have different policies?

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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:01   #10
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Don't even have resits...
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:02   #11
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With ours (Newcastle uni) your resit mark is capped at 40% (pass) whatever you get.
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:03   #12
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Swansea is capped at 40%


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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:04   #13
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In Bournemouth and on my course we are capped at 40% on resits.

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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:07   #14
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Capped at 40%. If it's already stated that your university or departmental policy is 0% though, you're going to have no grounds to appeal :s. Dig out the university regulations and see where you stand.



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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:11   #15
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Cap 40% at 2 uni's that I have been doing degree at. I appealed three resists in final year so I could get UPTO the 100% mark under extenuating circumstances (which were fully legitimate). It is taken to a panel and they decide etc on whether you can do them in full again, or resist at 40%. Due to reasons I was given chance to resist at 100% level and absolutely flew threw

Is VERY odd that 0% is given as that is extremely harsh! What is there reason? Because the real world doesn't allow failure? Uni isn't the real world as such!

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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:12   #16
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might sound a bit harsh but if you fail a whole year should you really expect a 2:1?

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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:13   #17
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capped at 40% here too
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:18   #18
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:20   #19
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If he got a high 2:1 in the 3rd year then he's clearly shown he knows the stuff.

It seems very harsh that they'd make you resit an exam just to let you through to the next year without giving you any marks. Resit marks are capped at the pass rate at Imperial too.

Your personal tutor sounds like he doesn't care or feels you don't deserve better. You need to build up a relationship with him so that when the time comes he will be there to support and fight for you. Not really possible anymore in your situation but it's something for the younger ones to take note of.
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:20   #20
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Capped at 40% here too, University of Sheffield.
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:24   #21
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might sound a bit harsh but if you fail a whole year should you really expect a 2:1?
They may have just messed up some of the exams. Thankfully I was fine this year but last year I went into two exams and my memory blanked on me. I could barely answer anything despite the exam being on exactly what I had studied the most.

I'm pretty sure it's 40% here aswell although I have a small feeling it may be 0. Strathclyde.

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If its capped at 0 what's the point of doing resits?

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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:26   #24
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Pass or fail with retakes.

Pass is 40%, Fail is 0%.

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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:33   #25
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might sound a bit harsh but if you fail a whole year should you really expect a 2:1?
I should expect a 2:1, if I accept that I messed up in my second year, take my resits in August, and then come back in the third year, and work a lot more than someone who is just aiming to get a 60% 2:1. I needed an average of around 65/66 this year to scrape a 2:1, which I achieved.

My punishment for messing up my second year is surely the fact that my 2:1 grade boundary was effectively pushed up to 65%, and that I had to come back in August to resit. To then add to that that my punishment is that I can no longer get a 2:1 (unless you deem an average of 80% do-able in an Economic degree) seems ridiculous.

The undergraduate handbook says:

"Marks obtained in year II resits are used for progression purposes but
are not used in the calculation of averages for degree classification"

I took that to mean that obviously your resit marks (say you get a 66%) won't be used for degree classification purposes, but just assumed that a 40% pass mark would be used, which I did not think unreasonable? You can't really deny that it sure as hell isn't explicit.
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Capped at pass mark (40%) at Birmingham. I imagine certain course may be different though; what are you doing Carzy?


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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:35   #27
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Capped at pass mark (40%) at Birmingham. I imagine certain course may be different though; what are you doing Carzy?
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Old 13th Jun 2008, 13:38   #28
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uni of plymouth capped mine at 40%

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If its capped at 0 what's the point of doing resits?
Because you still need to pass all your classes to pass the course.

In strathclyde (computing) each class is worth a certain amount of credits (usually 15) and there is a certain amount you need to progress. In the final year it's one class your allowed to fail only.

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Capped at 40% for JMU.
What are you doing at John Moores?

My uni capped resits @ 40%.

I messed a few things up in my second year - final AVG was 58.3 :/ needed 60% for a 2.1
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