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Old 18th Aug 2009, 15:14   #1
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Valencia - Spain - EUROPEAN Grand Prix 2009 - Race 11/17

Please keep all discussion about 2010 rules, drivers, teams, fota vs fia argument and anything else 2010 related in this thread ***Official F1 2010***

Circuit Information
Circuit length: 3.38 miles (5.44 km)
Number of laps: 57
Race length: 192.675 miles (310.080 km)
Joined F1 calendar: 2008

2008 winner: Felipe Massa
2008 polesitter: Felipe Massa, 1:38.989
Lap record: 1:38.708 (Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 2008)


Drivers Standings


Constructors Standings


TV TIMES
Friday 21
First practice: 0900-1030, BBC Red Button/online
Second practice: 1300-1430, BBC Red Button/online

Saturday 22
Third practice: 1000-1100, BBC Red Button/online
Qualifying: 1210-1415, BBC One/BBC Red Button/online

Sunday 23
Race: 1210-1500, BBC One/BBC Red Button/online
Interactive Forum: 1500-1600, BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three/BBC Red Button/online


TECHNICAL







NEW DRIVERS










Sorry if I have missed anything, first time I have put up a thread! Anything I have missed, let me know and I will try and put it into this post.
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 15:15   #2
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Nice post
Only thing missing is usually images of upgrades the teams are bringing

No idea how this race will turn out but I am going to say that Badoer won't be inside the top 10

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Old 18th Aug 2009, 15:16   #3
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Great post as ever Acid... hang on!

You missed the technical upgrades bit, but good work all the same.


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Old 18th Aug 2009, 15:37   #4
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Technical added
New drivers added.
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Really looking forward to this one, not for any particular reason just feels like aaages since the last race!

Oh and great post

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If you going to do it do it properly/ Was jsut about to do it.

Missing news, circuit info, circuit diagram, clasisc races and a few other things

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Please don't take offense, but going to start a new thread. Good effort, probably the best one so far. But there's a lot of news and other stuff you have missed out.

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Please don't take offense, but going to start a new thread. Good effort, probably the best one so far. But there's a lot of news and other stuff you have missed out.
Why not just let him add it rather than make a whole new thread

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Why not just let him add it rather than make a whole new thread
Because posting an OFFICIAL thread is major internet pointz. You can see this at work in the PC forum where everyone falls over themselves to add a thread, with ************* about a new game or something.

This thread is fine and should remain.

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Please keep all discussion about 2010 rules, drivers, teams, fota vs fia argument and anything else 2010 related in this thread ***Official F1 2010***


TV times:
EUROPE: Valencia, Spain
Friday 21 August

First practice: 0900-1030, BBC Red Button/online & BBC Radio 5 Live sports extra/online
Second practice: 1300-1430, BBC Red Button/online & BBC Radio 5 Live sports extra/online

Inside F1: 1830-1845, BBC News Channel, then repeated on the Red Button

Saturday 22 August

Third practice: 1000-1100, BBC Red Button/online & BBC Radio 5 Live sports extra/online

Qualifying: 1210-1415, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Qualifying re-run: Times TBC, BBC Red Button

Sunday 23 August

Race: 1210-1500, BBC One/BBC Red Button/Radio 5 Live/online
Race re-run: Times TBC, BBC Red Button

Interactive Forum: 1500-1600, BBC Red Button/online

Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three/BBC Red Button/online

Standings:


Track:


Track Diagram


BBC Formula 1 circuit guides - 2009



Circuit information
lap distance: 5.440 km/3.380 miles
total laps: 57
total distance: 310.080 km/192.683 miles

Weather Forecast


Valencia- a Formula One set-up guide
Situated in the marina area of Valencia, the European Grand Prix street course is one of the most exciting additions to the Formula One calendar in recent years. Hemmed in by concrete walls, the 25-turn circuit combines a mix of high and low-speed sections and presents a challenging layout for the drivers and engineers. Good straight-line speed and stability under braking are therefore paramount, as is good mechanical grip through the mix of low and medium-speed corners.

Aerodynamics

The track layout means that the teams run with medium levels of downforce with a similar set-up to that used in Shanghai and Bahrain earlier this year. This set-up is possible as there are no high-speed corners and good straight-line speed is important down the long back straight. Fernando Alonso explains: One of the most exciting parts of the lap is the final section from turns 17 to 25. You are flat-out almost all the way from the exit of 17 to the final corner, but there are so many kinks that you are constantly in a corner. Turn 25 is quite difficult because it's so slow and yet you approach it at over 300 km/h. So you have to brake as you are coming through turn 24, which makes it's easy to lock a wheel or make a mistake.

Brakes
The circuit is particularly demanding on the brakes and on a par with somewhere like Bahrain. There are frequent large stops from over 300km/h, such as turns 12 and 17, leading into tight second gear corners which put high energy though the braking systems. Brake cooling therefore needs special attention and the team will use larger brake cooling ducts than usual, as was the case in Bahrain

General car set-up
The drivers need a responsive and well-balanced car with good change of direction to deal with the high-speed kinks that are spread around the circuit. But, as always, this needs to be balanced with a supple enough suspension to give good mechanical grip in the low-speed corners. Good braking stability is also important, especially at the end of the straights, to avoid locking wheels on a track where there is little margin for error.Overtaking is always difficult on a street circuit, adds Alonso Valencia is no exception. Turn 12 at the end of the long back straight is probably the best opportunity as it's the biggest braking zone on the track. There's also quite a lot of tarmac run-off in case you go too deep into the corner.

Tyres
Bridgestone will bring the soft and super-soft compounds from its 2009 range, just as it did for the streets of Monaco and at last month's Hungarian Grand Prix. This choice is possible as the tarmac is not particularly abrasive and the softest compounds from the range will offer good grip on what is likely to be quite a slippery track surface to begin with. However, like any temporary circuit, we can expect the track to gradually evolve, becoming faster with each lap as it rubbers-in. The main concern over the weekend will be monitoring the rear tyre wear, which tends to be high due to the number of low-speed corners that lead onto long straights where traction demands are high.

Engine
The mix of straights, low speed chicanes and hairpins means that the engine will be used in a very stop-start fashion. About 60% of the lap is spent at full throttle, which is slightly below average for the season, and so Valencia is not a demanding test for the engine. The key to a good lap time is not peak power, but good torque to help launch the car out of the slow corners and onto the straights. Getting the car well balanced will therefore be of utmost importance to avoid understeer out of the low-speed corners to allow early application of the throttle.


Classic Nurburgring Grand Prix

Classic F1 - European Grand Prix 2007
Watch highlights from the 2007 European Grand Prix as the weather causes chaos at the Nurburgring with Fernando Alonso eventually winning a thrilling race ahead of Felipe Massa.

Classic F1 - European Grand Prix 2005
Watch highlights from the 2005 European Grand Prix as McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen suffers last-lap heartache handing Fernando Alonso the win at the Nurburgring.

Classic F1 - European Grand Prix 1999
Watch highlights from the 1999 European Grand Prix as Johnny Herbert claims an unlikely maiden F1 win for the Stewart team at the Nurburgring.

Classic F1 - European Grand Prix 1995
Watch highlights from the 1995 European Grand Prix as Michael Schumacher closes in on a second world title with a thrilling win in the rain at the Nurburgring.

Classic F1 - European Grand Prix 1993
Watch highlights from the 1993 European Grand Prix as Ayrton Senna wins one of the finest races of his career at a rain-soaked Donington Park.

Classic F1 - European Grand Prix 1993 extended highlights
Watch the BBC's "Grand Prix" programme from the 1993 European Grand Prix as Ayrton Senna wins one of the finest races of his career at a rain-soaked Donington Park.

Technical Changes - Hungaroring


Valencia Team Previews

News
  • Renault ban overturned on appeal
    Renault and Fernando Alonso will compete in this weekend’s European Grand Prix after the International Court of Appeal overturned the one-race ban imposed on the team by Hungarian race stewards.
  • Renault welcomes decision, accepts fine
    Renault has welcomed the International Appeal Court’s decision to lift its race ban for the European Grand Prix and has accepted the $50,000 fine instead imposed on the team.
  • Renault seeks to overturn Valencia ban
    Renault will bid to get its race suspension from this weekend’s European Grand Prix overtuned today as it takes its case to the FIA’s International Court of Appeal.
  • Klien wants race seat in post-BMW era
    BMW Sauber test driver Christian Klien believes he is in a “good position” to return to a Formula 1 race seat in 2010 and reveals his first choice would be to do so with his current team should it secure a new owner.
  • First win still possible in '09 – Toyota
    John Howett insists Toyota has not given up hope of finally scoring its maiden Formula 1 victory in 2009 and says the team will continue to develop its current car in an attempt to attain that goal.
  • McLaren eyes second straight win
    McLaren believes a further series of updates on its MP4-24 for the European Grand Prix should mean it can challenge for a second successive victory this weekend
  • Toyota expects Valencia to suit TF109
    Toyota is optimistic it can repeat its two-car points finish from the inaugural Valencia street race when the Formula 1 season resumes at the Spainish circuit this weekend.
  • BMW aims to improve car to lure buyer
    Mario Theissen says BMW Sauber will continue to do everything it can to improve its performance between now and the end of the season as he believes it will be the best way of showcasing the squad’s talents to a prospective buyer.
  • Button still in title box seat, says Alonso
    Fernando Alonso believes Jenson Button still remains the clear favourite to become world champion at the end of the season despite Red Bull’s recent superiority over Brawn.
  • Brawn: Car mod has tripped us up
    Brawn GP is leaving no stone unturned as it seeks answers to the tyre temperature problems that have interrupted its once seemingly unstoppable march to the world championship.
  • McLaren: KERS now a bigger help
    Martin Whitmarsh believes McLaren’s KERS system can become an even more potent weapon for the team now it is back towards the front of the grid.
  • Rule changes have failed – Domenicali
    Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali says Formula 1 must ensure that next time it introduces a major rules overhaul it does more to ensure the changes will succeed, after admitting this year’s aerodynamic revisions haven’t worked.


News Renaults Replacement Romain Grosjean
  • Grosjean: Debut GP a learning experience
    Romain Grosjean has admitted his debut Formula 1 race weekend will be a learning experience for him given he has yet to drive Renault’s R29 car.
  • Grosjean confirmed at Renault
    Renault has confirmed that its reserve driver Romain Grosjean will replace Nelson Piquet Jr in the second seat at the team for the remainder of the 2009 season.




News: Ferrari Replacement Luca Badoer
  • Luca Badoer: it’s a dream come true
    The news that Michael Schumacher won’t return to Formula One racing at the forthcoming European Grand Prix has disappointed many fans around the world. But for test driver Luca Badoer, the man tasked by Ferrari with taking over Felipe Massa's cockpit in Valencia, Schumacher’s decision to pull out of his planned comeback in light of an aggravated neck injury, is a mixed blessing.
  • Badoer honoured, but sorry for Schu
    Luca Badoer admits finally being handed his Ferrari race debut is the realisation of a childhood dream after the team’s veteran test driver was drafted in to replace the injured Felipe Massa next week in Valencia.
  • Ferrari turns to Badoer for Valencia
    Veteran Ferrari test driver Luca Badoer has been handed the chance to compete in a Formula 1 race for the first time in 10 years in next week’s European Grand Prix after Michael Schumacher was forced to abandon his comeback plans on Tuesday.
  • Badoer to get two days in F60
    Luca Badoer will have an opportunity to familiarise himself with Ferrari’s current car ahead of his grand prix return in Valencia, after the team announced that he will drive the F60 in a promotional event at its Fiorano test track on Monday and Tuesday.
  • 1Badoer to get promotional run in F60
    Luca Badoer will get behind the wheel of Ferrari’s current car on Monday when he participates in the shooting of a promotional video for the Italian team. Badoer will stand in for the injured Felipe Massa at next weekend’s European Grand Prix.




News: Massa

Massa's crash explained
Felipe Massa, now stable in hospital, was struck on the helmet by a spring that flew off Rubens Barrichello's suspension moments earlier, as this video analysis explains.
  • Domenicali buoyed by Massa progress
    Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali says Felipe Massa is continuing to make “very encouraging” progress in his recovery from the injuries he suffered in his July 25 accident at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
  • Rubens encouraged by Massa progress
    Rubens Barrichello has spoken at his pleasure at Felipe Massa’s improving condition after visiting his friend and compatriot at his home in Brazil.
  • Massa wants return to ‘normal life’
    Felipe Massa says his first priority as he continues his recovery in his native Brazil will be to resume everyday activities and get back to full fitness in order to accelerate his return to Formula 1.
  • Massa to leave hospital on Monday
    Felipe Massa will leave hospital on Monday and be flown home to his native Brazil, his personal doctor said on Friday.


News: Schumacher

In-depth interview - Michael Schumacher
Seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher talks to the BBC Sport team about his career, racing motorbikes after retiring from Formula 1, and rules out returning with Brawn as a driver.

Schumacher U-turn a surprise - Jordan
BBC F1 pundit Eddie Jordan tells Radio 5 live that he is taken aback by Michael Schumacher's decision to abandon his comeback with Ferrari.
  • 'Sad' Schu not thinking about future
    Michael Schumacher says he is currently too disappointed to decide whether or not he will make a second attempt at a Formula 1 comeback at a later date.
  • Schumacher calls off F1 comeback
    Michael Schumacher has had to abandon his planned Formula 1 return due to the neck injury he sustained in a motorcycle accident earlier this year.
  • Schu set for second F2007 test
    Michael Schumacher is set to carry out a further two days of testing in a 2007 Ferrari from Tuesday as he continues his preparations for his eagerly-anticipated Formula 1 return in Valencia.
  • Schumacher completes karting workout
    Michael Schumacher said two days of karting in Italy had given his body a good workout as he stepped up his physical training programme ahead of his Formula 1 comeback.
  • Schumacher return ‘not yet certain’
    Michael Schumacher’s spokeswoman has sought to defuse some of the hype surrounding the seven-time world champion’s Formula 1 comeback by pointing out that it is “not yet certain” that he will pass the necessary fitness checks.

The track and TV coverage starts

Technical changes Valencia

Practice 1


Report - Barrichello fastest in Valencia practice
BBC Sport's Sue Thearle reports as Brawn GP's Rubens Barrichello tops the time charts in the first practice session at the European Grand Prix in Valencia.

Practice 2


Alonso tops practice in Valencia
Renault's Fernando Alonso set the fastest lap in Friday practice for the European Grand Prix while stuttering championship leaders Brawn went well.

Practice 3


Sutil tops red-flagged practice
Force India's Adrian Sutil topped a flag-interrupted final practice at the European Grand Prix as a Sebastian Vettel blow-out marred the session.

Qualifying


Hamilton storms to Valencia pole
World champion Lewis Hamilton secured his first pole position of the season with a scintillating qualifying display at the European Grand Prix at Valencia.

Fuel Loads

Race


Standings

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Old 18th Aug 2009, 17:43   #12
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I didn't know it was possible to be threadjacked!!
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No offense taken!

I did post in the old thread asking if there would be a new thread, when there was no response, I took it upon myself to get it going. Was not trying to steal anyone's thunder

I will leave well alone next time!
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No problem and as I've said before anyone can make them. Just include the info.

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Anyway!

Looking forward to the race.

Some new drivers, back after a break, and I will be spending race day at Williams HQ
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you lucky ****how did you manage that? or do you work for them.

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you lucky ****how did you manage that? or do you work for them.
I know a chap who works there He knows im a massive F1 fan.

Hes taking me on the simulator, and I get to see all the live data come in, radio comms, sit with the team, factory tour etc
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Brawn: Valencia is a unique challenge
Brawn GP team principal Ross Brawn says that the Valencia street circuit offers a tough challenge for the teams as they return from their summer break for this Sunday’s European Grand Prix.

I wonder if they have found what has slowed the car and if they have made any improvements. Certainly doesn't sound like fighting talk.

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I wonder if they have found what has slowed the car and if they have made any improvements. Certainly doesn't sound like fighting talk.
Has the car slowed or has everyone else just got faster?
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Has the car slowed or has everyone else just got faster?
I think both. It certainly doesn't look like the car at the start of the season. But everyone else has certainly got faster. If it was just people getting faster, button wouldn't be struggling with the car.

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I think both. It certainly doesn't look like the car at the start of the season. But everyone else has certainly got faster. If it was just people getting faster, button wouldn't be struggling with the car.
Why don't they just reverse the changes they have made since then? Or isn't it that simple?
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Why don't they just reverse the changes they have made since then? Or isn't it that simple?
Lack of testing makes it very hard to find what is causing problems and what is giving speed increases. I imagine if they went back to the original they would be slower than the rest by now as well.

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F1 is finaly back, having withdrawal symptoms.


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can I just point out that Romain Grosjean has seriously retarded hair. kthkxbye

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can I just point out that Romain Grosjean has seriously retarded hair. kthkxbye
He looks like Sideshow Bob .

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still a good attempt on first post

best just leaving it to acidhell though

bout time it comes back, but i think most enjoyable part of the race will be all the gossip for first hour about shumacher almost making a return, then race will start and be dull as ever

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still a good attempt on first post

best just leaving it to acidhell though

bout time it comes back, but i think most enjoyable part of the race will be all the gossip for first hour about shumacher almost making a return, then race will start and be dull as ever
Thanks, as I said before, it was only because I wanted to get the chat doing!!

I think there is a segment about ledgard doing his racing license too Should be mildly entertaining
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best just leaving it to acidhell though
"best left to acidhell"

god almightly this is becomming more and more like the other forums every day

who gives a **** who the original thread starter is. Why does it have to be left to acidhell. Cant he just post his usual content in the thread that somebody else started ? why does his post have to be the first post in the thread ?

The whole thing just comes over as childish and pretentious


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"best left to acidhell"

god almightly this is becomming more and more like the other forums every day

who gives a **** who the original thread starter is. Why does it have to be left to acidhell. Cant he just post his usual content in the thread that somebody else started ? why does his post have to be the first post in the thread ?

The whole thing just comes over as childish and pretentious
I think if you look at the smiley at the end of the statement, it was a bit tonge in cheek. I am not bothered about it all, i just wanted to chat about the next race. Can we drop it and continue with F1 chat?

Cheers!
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