Icecold's mobility thread

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This thread is intended as a place to collect discussion on mobility training.

The idea behind mobilisation is to get the most out of your activities in and out of the gym and to help keep all of your various structural/movement tissues pain free and functioning properly. This is achieved in a number of ways:

1) Stretching. You know what this is :). An important principal to remember though is that we don't care what muscle we are stretching, we mobilise movements not muscles.

2) Soft tissue work. Using a foam roller, rumble roller or various types of balls to restore the sliding surfaces of your muscles. Kind of like a deep tissue massage. However, we don't just want to jab things into our muscles. If you imagine your muscle as being layers you want to encourage sliding by "smearing" laterally with your torture device of choice, by "tacking" the muscle in one place and then drawing the muscle over it by extending and contracting it. E.g. put a lacrosse ball between your thigh and the floor, find a painful spot and bend/extend your knee until the pain goes or you make change.

3) Postural/alignment improvement. Things like encouraging a neutral spine, good shoulder position and proper form in all exercises. Most problems arise because we exert force on a joint or system when we aren't positioned optimally.

Mobility training isn't just for people with injuries, once your injured the damage is already done. If you are at all interested in your athletic performance you need to be looking into this. You can save a lot of time and money on physios and other sports therapists by doing this yourself. The biggest lifters and best sports people all have good mobility, and if they don't, they aren't as good as they could be at what they do.

Tools to consider buying:

- Resistance bands
- Foam/rumble rollers
- Various types of balls for soft tissue work. I prefer a lacrosse ball for it's texture.

A great resource for mobility: www.mobilitywod.com
(despite the fact that he's a crossfitter ;))

Discuss away :)


The below post is not just for benching, it's good for general shoulder health.
ice, could you point me in the direction of some good beginner mobility exercises for my shoulder. I get pains when doing bench press at the moment.

I wish I had a program I could give you here but I don't think one actually exists, well not without seeing specialists in things I can't remember the names of ;)

I'll try to suggest some things from my experience.

Do you have any bands? If not: http://www.pullum-sports.co.uk/acce...pullum-resistance-bands-41-inch/prod_514.html

or

http://www.v-tapershaper.com/jumpstretch.html

You can do most things with a medium. To cover all bases you'd need to get a small and super mini as well, but medium in fine as a minimalist purchase.

Without a band the best thing you can do is work on some internal rotation. My favourite (perhaps not the right word...) for this is the bully stretch, and there are a few variations of this.

The most important thing here is shoulder positioning. The bottom line is that if your shoulder is sore it's very likely you've been pulling or pushing with your should in a weakened position. Throughout all of these mobilisations (apart from some of the banded "five way shoulder" and some soft tissue a.k.a lacrosse ball work) you need to over emphasise having your shoulder back and down. From experience with the bully stretch you can also play around with encouraging your scapula to be flat against your rib cage when you do this (will make sense when you try it).

Bully stretch:
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/08/sign-papers-old-man.html

I'm fairly sure this has had the biggest pay off for me. If your getting the kind of range the guy in the video is getting you probably don't have your shoulder in the right position (it will move to compensate for poor internal rotation). Try doing it against the corner of a wall so you can keep your back against it (can push scap against your rib cage as mentioned earlier). A mirror also helps. An excellent variation is to use a band to force your shoulder into the right position (http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/04/episode-229365-shoulder-internal-rotation-i-has-it.html - the ball work in this is also good), and I've also found it useful to grab my un-used arm behind my back to pull both shoulders back. Play around and find where you are tight.

This is important in general as well, I often do this after the bully: http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/04/episode-211365-the-simple-five-way-shoulder.html
If you get your arm across your body you can find some angles where you can literally feel your scapula pealing off your rib cage, think about the angles and try and get both the inside edge and the bottom (for the latter you have to get over your arm, kind of hard to explain!).

In case you're missing some external rotation, try these: http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/09/ring-ready-shoulders-yo.html
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/09/free-your-scap-free-your-mind.html
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/08/i-will-bend-like-reed-in-wind-episode-9.html

Those are good, but basically if you search for "shoulder" on that site and go through the videos you'll be set.

You'll notice he mentions things like "contract/relax" quite a bit. These things are explained in his earlier vids, but it essentially means you contract the muscles you're mobilising and then when you relax them you'll find you instantly have more range. This is totally safe, the contraction actually makes the stretch stronger and less vulnerable.


Phew! That was a bit long, sorry. It's possible that I'm a bit gay for the MWod guy :o:p
 
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Would be interested to see your summary of hip mobility too, this is especially applicable to me since I badly sprained my back doing squats yesterday :(

Got to the bottom position (knees past ass) at which point my butt tucks in (I think down to more hip mobility?).. lost my my composure as I was working fatigued after heavy deads the previous day (should have not gone gym) and lost my compusure and stretched back :(

Anyway, after googling hip mobility it appears mine is almost non-existent (above injury permitting) - i.e. I can't touch my toes without bending legs or curving the back, nor can I pick up something off the floor with no bend in the back/legs (think Romanian deadlift)... from day to day I've always squatted down to pick stuff up off the floor and this combined with a desk job I can see has really made my mobility suffer, it's worrying to think how much my other muscles might have overcompensated during deads/squats :o

Edit:

I am going to try out some of the stuff this guy suggests which has been mentioned in threads here too I think:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-importance-of-mobility-the-hips/

Seems a pretty cool site with articles on shoulder mobility too! :)
 
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I've started stretching a lot just recently after realising just how un-flexable I really am, especially the hamstring/lower back area.

I really want to give this mobility stuff a try, but I keep finding myself skipping through the vids to get the the 'good stuff' (the actual stretch/mobility work)! The guy just bores me to tears. Im sure what he's saying is important but it just goes in one ear and out the other.

I think you should make some more 'to the point/concise' vids, icecold! :D :eek:
 
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I'll post up what I do for my hips in the next day or two, I've seen some big progress in this area.

When I find what works for my hamstrings/posterior chain I'll post that too, fairly sure my entire fascial system back there is the tightest and toughest in world (low glute-->ham-->back of knee-->calfs-->bottom of foot). Hopefully just a matter of persistence, years of sprinting badly is to blame.
 

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Let us know what you find what works for the arches of the foot and the posterior tibialis and pretty much the whole lower leg ankle and foot.

Mine are crap =/
 
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I think it was in another thread but I thought I would just add this response to someone saying they had a bad case of bum tuck when squatting. I have found that a combination of strengthening my abs by doing planks, Palov presses (Link) and ab wheel roll-outs and doing some serious mobility on my hips has helped this massively. The mobility has also helped my silly right foot pronation although I have been doing glute medial strengthening exercises.

This is by far one of the best for the front of your hips if you feel any tightness there:

These two are similar but crucially different:

Important link read the text


Also a note, I know he talks a lot but there are some very important concepts in his pre-mobility speeches.

The first video is really worth doing but obviously you need a band for it. A modified version can be done if you just ignore the fact he is using a band but the super version is a lot more effective.

He makes an important point in the second video that you must learn to feel out where your problem areas are and always test the angles, and find the "corners" when you mobilize anything.

The third video is more specifically what I do as a mobilization and it links it directly to the squat at the end of the vid which is worth paying attention to.

Another note, hip mobility is very important to ensure that when you squat you can maintain a knees out position (not to a ridiculous degree) and feet parallel as this is much more bio-mechanically advantageous. A problem about squatting with duck feet is that you may be putting a lot of pressure on your anterior cruciate ligament which can lead to the obviously serious injuries. Here is a link to the page where there is a lot of relevant info.
 
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Let us know what you find what works for the arches of the foot and the posterior tibialis and pretty much the whole lower leg ankle and foot.

Mine are crap =/
This one is actually quite easy :)


  • Roll a ball on the bottom of your foot. You can catch the head of the posterior tibialis in the peak of your arch with the ball in your hand.
  • Foot up against a wall about 30 degrees off vertical and bring your leg in towards vertical. Find different angles to play with and contract/relax into new range
  • Mash a ball/roller all around your lower leg. A ball is for getting some anterior stuff if you do it by hand too.
Covers most of it here:
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/12/episode-115365-lower-leg-sliding.html

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/04/episode-237365-heel-cord-love.html

Where are you sore? Might be worth giving your hammies some love to loosen the whole fascial system.


Edit: also, what Dom said! Hips are a very complex system so it's easier if people ask for help with a particular activity (squatting, clean/snatch, jumping, running, etc). To fully mobilise your hips would take hours.
 
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Would be interested to see your summary of hip mobility too, this is especially applicable to me since I badly sprained my back doing squats yesterday :(

Got to the bottom position (knees past ass) at which point my butt tucks in (I think down to more hip mobility?).. lost my my composure as I was working fatigued after heavy deads the previous day (should have not gone gym) and lost my compusure and stretched back :(

Anyway, after googling hip mobility it appears mine is almost non-existent (above injury permitting) - i.e. I can't touch my toes without bending legs or curving the back, nor can I pick up something off the floor with no bend in the back/legs (think Romanian deadlift)... from day to day I've always squatted down to pick stuff up off the floor and this combined with a desk job I can see has really made my mobility suffer, it's worrying to think how much my other muscles might have overcompensated during deads/squats :o

Edit:

I am going to try out some of the stuff this guy suggests which has been mentioned in threads here too I think:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-importance-of-mobility-the-hips/

Seems a pretty cool site with articles on shoulder mobility too! :)

Nice link :)

Seems like tight hips and hamstrings/glutes.

Some stuff to look at (apologies for the masses of links, I'm partially doing this for my own reference. All of it is relevant to you though):

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/02/episode-180365-two-joint-muscles-rear.html
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/04/episode-228365-pnf-the-prime-movers-of-your-hip.html
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/08/mobility-i-has-it.html
mostly these ones

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/02/episode-184365-olympian-disco-pain-ball.html
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/12/episode-104365-hammer-your-high-hammy.html
^notice the difference in loading

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/02/episode-173365-improve-your-medial.html
with this
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/01/episode-139365-posterior-chain-sliding.html

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/11/episode-82365-protect-your-scrotch-or.html
there's another one somewhere where he straddles a bar to get some medial stuff, but it's similar to that. Might get some strange looks in the gym ;)

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2011/01/episode-137365-best-hip-extensor-mob.html
http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/12/episode-105365-deadlift-prep.html
 
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Hey Icecold, any idea if these resistance bands are worth it instead

£7.87 for 3, (light medium and heavy)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0020IMSD2/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=amazonss-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B0020IMSD2

£11.50 for 3, (light medium and heavy)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000W090WW/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=amazonss-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B000W090WW

as opposed to the £18.50 for just the medium pullum version ?
 

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Hey Icecold, any idea if these resistance bands are worth it instead

£7.87 for 3, (light medium and heavy)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0020IMSD2/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=amazonss-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B0020IMSD2

£11.50 for 3, (light medium and heavy)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000W090WW/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=amazonss-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B000W090WW



as opposed to the £18.50 for just the medium pullum version ?


Ive been using Thera-Band bands to strengthen my lower legs. They normally come in a roll and you cut the length you want off. The biggest issue i have with them is they roll up on my foot then fling off.

If i were to get some more bands id get the ones that have a strap so you can strap them to your foot/leg/arm/willy or what ever else you can think of:)
 
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Hey Icecold, any idea if these resistance bands are worth it instead

£7.87 for 3, (light medium and heavy)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...mp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B0020IMSD2

£11.50 for 3, (light medium and heavy)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...mp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B000W090WW

as opposed to the £18.50 for just the medium pullum version ?

Unfortunately no, they're not really suitable for this type of thing. There is other pre/rehab work you can do with those but they aren't strong enough for big joint distraction and stretching.
 
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bump for someone asking about shoulder pain in the gym rats thread. most shoulder pain isn't actually due to weakness in the RC, it actually arises from poor mobility and positioning of the shoulder complex.
 
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