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Old 28th Aug 2013, 09:07   #1
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New Haswell/Broadwell may not work in current motherboards....

http://www.eteknix.com/intel-8-serie...bility-issues/


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Old 28th Aug 2013, 09:09   #2
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Was waiting for something like this to appear.
Does anyone remember the Ivybridge won't work in current boards?
Haswell needs a new PSU?

Will this be the one time some scare mongering is actually accurate ?

Haswell refresh is due in 2014, I'd be surprised if it didn't work in pretty much every board.
But, having said that, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Broadwell land on a different socket/Need some sort of rejig with boards, that's not to say that it'll play out that way.
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 09:12   #3
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Will wait for a more reliable source thanks.


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Old 28th Aug 2013, 10:11   #4
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r283...9-PCH-and-more

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LGA 2011-3 CPUs are keyed differently than LGA 2011 CPUs, meaning you cannot use a LGA 2011 CPU in a LGA 2011-3 socket, nor vice-versa
Classic Intel daylight robbery.
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 10:40   #5
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Classic Intel daylight robbery.
If Intel did what AMD did just tweaked and modified the same architecture over half a decade, they could have made same socket to last longer, but it would be at the cost losing relatively huge amount of performance progression.

But yes I do agree that the performance progress for Intel's "core series" over this last 4 gens has be quite pathetic, particularly with Haswell they could have make something with a relatively big increase over the IvyBridge, but instead, they chose to focus their effort targeting the mobile market instead, and left desktop users on the spot of having a not much faster CPU with lower power consumption and better integrated graphic- which means very little to them.

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Old 28th Aug 2013, 12:03   #6
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But yes I do agree that the performance progress for Intel's "core series" over this last 4 gens has be quite pathetic, particularly with Haswell they could have make something with a relatively big increase over the IvyBridge, but instead, they chose to focus their effort targeting the mobile market instead, and left desktop users on the spot of having a not much faster CPU with lower power consumption and better integrated graphic- which means very little to them.
999 out of 1000 "desktop users" don't actually need faster CPUs though. Gamers with multiple GPUs do (that's not exactly a huge market), as do people doing serious computation, but they use clusters or GPUs. The vast majority of desktops, which have been dwindling in number for a long time, get by just fine on 5+ year old CPUs.

The audience who want faster CPUs just for the sake of it (this forum) are a tiny, tiny, minority, compared to the tens of millions of people who want small/mobile computing. So can't blame them really.

Making a new socket every year is excessive though.

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Old 28th Aug 2013, 12:09   #7
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They don't make a new socket every year though.
Socket 1155 was over 2 years old before it got replaced.
Ironically AMD has done that with their more consumer chips their APU's, FM1/FM2/FM2+ with no forwards compatibility.
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 12:31   #8
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Bring back LGA 775!!!
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 13:16   #9
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Well Intel is not going to miss on making more $$$$$$$$$, by making Broadwell backwards compatible are they.
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 13:36   #10
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I always do a mb and cpu at the same time, as do most people I expect.

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Old 28th Aug 2013, 13:58   #11
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999 out of 1000 "desktop users" don't actually need faster CPUs though. Gamers with multiple GPUs do (that's not exactly a huge market), as do people doing serious computation, but they use clusters or GPUs. The vast majority of desktops, which have been dwindling in number for a long time, get by just fine on 5+ year old CPUs.
Since when PC gamers are NOT desktop users?

"Desktop users" pretty much cover everyone using a PC.

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Old 28th Aug 2013, 14:06   #12
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As I'm unlikely to upgrade again for another 3 or 4 years, I'm not that bothered about this. i'll want a new mobo around next upgrade time anyway, I'd imagine (DDR4 and god knows what other improvements). I also share some skepticism about the source of this "news".

That said, if it is true, then it's a bit of a poor show. Constant socket refreshes feel a bit like a lack of forward planning, or a desire to force upgraders onto a new platform.

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Old 28th Aug 2013, 14:11   #13
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Lol eteknik are after readers again are they..

find a credible source and ill believe it


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Old 28th Aug 2013, 16:27   #14
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This article doesn't ring true and I would be surprised if broadwell didn't work in the current z87 boards.

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Old 28th Aug 2013, 19:04   #15
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Would Broadwell be even released on desktop? Last I read it was saying that Broadwell would be BGA/Ultra mobile socket cpu only.

Haswell Refresh is still meant to be on the current 22nm process.

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Old 28th Aug 2013, 19:48   #16
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Classic Intel daylight robbery.
LGA2011-3 is DDR4 though so it was never going to be compatible with LGA2011.
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 19:52   #17
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where did you read that wingzero? I heard that it would be haswell refresh aka broadwell but at a later date and the lga sockets would be first for mobiles etc.To be honest i think it may be scaremongering for those on the fence for 4930k or 4770k but then again it is intel and they have no competition!"
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 20:03   #18
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Haswell Refresh is still meant to be on the current 22nm process.
Yeah I though the Haswell refresh '5770K' would be a drop in 22nm CPU, maybe with higher clocks and more cache, or better IGPU? Would act as a stop gap until 14nm is ready?

I think Intel don't want to put 14nm chips against Haswell -E tbh, could cannibalize that market..

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