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Old 11th Sep 2013, 18:17   #1
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Civil Service Pensions

God I'm so confused right now. I have the following questions to answer:

1. Have you ever been a member of the Civil Service pension agreements?

2. If not, are you currently a member of a pension scheme "by-analogy" to the civil service?

I have no idea of the answer to that, but Thames Valley Police contract their pensions out to Buckinghamshire County Council but that's pretty much all I know. Can anyone help me answer these before I have to make a load of calls and get passed to everyone at Bucks CC to find out?

This might help:

http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/media/1333...er_booklet.pdf
http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/media/1332...ur_Pension.pdf


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Old 11th Sep 2013, 18:21   #2
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Yes, police pensions are civil service pensions.

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Old 11th Sep 2013, 18:22   #3
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Yes, police pensions are civil service pensions.
I need to make this clear. It's a Thames Valley Police Staff pension not a police officer pension.


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Old 11th Sep 2013, 18:27   #4
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I need to make this clear. It's a Thames Valley Police Staff pension not a police officer pension.
Burnsy, i'm, pretty sure it is. You can double check, but the fact is you are employed by the crown.

Crown employees are all entitled to a civil service pension.

I know I have the same pension as a friend who was no more than an errand boy at Scotland Yard. I was in the FCO.

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Old 11th Sep 2013, 18:31   #5
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Cool, thanks.

Now I need to find out which of the following it is:

Classic
Premium
Classic Plus
Nuvos
Partnership



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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:07   #6
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I know someone with an MSc who might be able to answer that!
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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:07   #7
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I joined the Civil Service in 2009 and I'm in Nuvos, if that helps.
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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:08   #8
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Yes, police pensions are civil service pensions.
this is wrong!

police are part of the local government pension scheme, the civil service pension scheme is different.
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I joined the Civil Service in 2009 and I'm in Nuvos, if that helps.
ouch nuvos is the worse deal ever, classic is the gold plated one, I was on premium for 10 years before I left
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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:12   #10
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I wouldn't agree that Nuvos is the worst deal ever. It's not as good as Classic or Premium, but it's still an excellent deal when compared to what else is on offer at the moment, particularly in the private sector.
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Burnsy, i'm, pretty sure it is. You can double check, but the fact is you are employed by the crown.

Crown employees are all entitled to a civil service pension.

I know I have the same pension as a friend who was no more than an errand boy at Scotland Yard. I was in the FCO.
again wrong police are not directly employed by the crown, as prison officers, security services etc. are, police are not the same as central government departments, they are funded by local government and police authorities. The pension arrangements are done by each police authority and often by the local government pension scheme
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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:18   #12
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this is wrong!

police are part of the local government pension scheme, the civil service pension scheme is different.
So what would you say the answers to the questions are?


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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:20   #13
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Cool, thanks.

Now I need to find out which of the following it is:
If you joined in the past 5 years or so and it does count as a civil service pension it's almost certainly Nuvos, you should still have paperwork and/or it may say on your annual pension statement but in the absence of further information I'd guess Nuvos.

"Since we cannot know all that there is to be known about anything, we ought to know a little about everything." - Blaise Pascal
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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:24   #14
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If you joined in the past 5 years or so and it does count as a civil service pension it's almost certainly Nuvos, you should still have paperwork and/or it may say on your annual pension statement but in the absence of further information I'd guess Nuvos.
I was hoping you'd see this thread. Thanks mate


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If you joined in the past 5 years or so and it does count as a civil service pension it's almost certainly Nuvos, you should still have paperwork and/or it may say on your annual pension statement but in the absence of further information I'd guess Nuvos.
Most likely. Check your contract burnsy the details should be on there.

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The links you posted are for the LGPS schemes.

My wife is on LGPS as a teaching assistant, she is not a civil servant nor does she work for the crown.

LPGS and civil service pensions are totally different.

Do you work for one of the following:

http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/pensi...lines/contacts

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ouch nuvos is the worse deal ever...
I was looking into this recently and nuvos didn't seem very interesting. I was comparing something like 2.3% contribution +RPI 'til retirement with the partnership pension which was something like 10% +the market 'til retirement.

Why would someone choose nuvos over partnership?

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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:36   #18
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God I'm so confused right now. I have the following questions to answer:

1. Have you ever been a member of the Civil Service pension agreements?

2. If not, are you currently a member of a pension scheme "by-analogy" to the civil service?

http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/wp-co..._tcm6-1988.pdf

1. No.
2. No.
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Agree......

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If you joined in the past 5 years or so and it does count as a civil service pension it's almost certainly Nuvos, you should still have paperwork and/or it may say on your annual pension statement but in the absence of further information I'd guess Nuvos.
It won't be Civil Service I would imagine, only small specialist police forces are nationally funded/controlled such as the nuclear protection force etc?

Police generally speaking are local government. Support staff aren't civil servants. Public servants.
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It won't be Civil Service I would imagine, only small specialist police forces are nationally funded/controlled such as the nuclear protection force etc?

Police generally speaking are local government. Support staff aren't civil servants. Public servants.
yep basically what I said
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Old 11th Sep 2013, 19:55   #22
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Well I'm glad this is straight forward and not confusing. Looks like I'll be making some calls tomorrow.


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Old 11th Sep 2013, 22:33   #23
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I wouldn't agree that Nuvos is the worst deal ever. It's not as good as Classic or Premium, but it's still an excellent deal when compared to what else is on offer at the moment, particularly in the private sector.
100% agree.
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