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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:24   #1
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jsa and holiday abroad

its my wifes dads 50th birthday next week and me and my wife have paid for him to go to lanzorte for a week with us.

Today he went to the job centre to sign off and then to organise signing back on once we are back. They have told him he aint allowed to go and if he does he will owe a 1000 for housing benefit and jsa. Surely that cannot be right?

We ared ue to fly Sunday and now he doesnt want to go.

The holiday hasnt cost him a penny and its all inclusive.


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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:29   #2
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Its usually paid in arrears so I can't see how he'd owe them money if he signed off and signed back on again after a brief period.

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:30   #3
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Tell them where to go. You're allowed a two week holiday per year on jsa if I remember correctly.
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i would have just gone and got someone to phone in sick for me if i had an interview or anything that week, bit late now though

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:32   #5
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Im struggling to find anything concrete online. Various forums say you can have holiday but only in the uk. But he was trying to sign off for the week he is away. Fully expecting no jsa due to not actively seeking work.

He was trying to do everything by the book.


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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:36   #6
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Tell them he's taking papers and will have Internet access to actively seek work.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:37   #7
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Tell them he's taking papers and will have Internet access to actively seek work.
you have to be available to take a job straight away :/

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:37   #8
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sign off and make a rapid reclaim when he is back, JSA is paid in arrears so he will not owe anything.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:39   #9
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Tell them he's taking papers and will have Internet access to actively seek work.
We are due to fly sunday so they are are closed now. Such a crap situation. He is worriednow. They told him holiday in the uk is fine but not abroad. But he doesn't even want to claim money for the week he is abroad. Hence the signing off


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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:39   #10
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you have to be available to take a job straight away :/
Nuts. Didn't know that. They really don't make it easy for the honest ones out there do they? The scrotes who are 'looking' though seem to get along ok
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Was quite awhile back but I seem to recall you could take a 2 week holiday but only in the UK and still claim JSA, if you go abroad you have to sign off JSA, but you can claim HB for upto a certain length if you go abroad though in some cases it might be paid at a reduced rate.

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:42   #12
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Ace, fraid my little knowledge and google foo is running out.

https://www.gov.uk/claiming-benefits...kers-allowance

Is all I'm coming up with
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He was trying to do everything by the book.
First mistake right there.

I'm not saying do anything dodgy, but playing by the rules is guaranteed to have the JC **** you over every time.
I've seen it time and again - you try and do the right thing and you pay for it. You bend the rules as much as possible and you get what you want.
In this instance, I'd have been economical with the truth and not said anything about going abroad. It's not like he'd have been placed on a border agency watch list for being on jsa

Sadly you have to know how places like the jobcentre operate and play them at it to your advantage. That sounds bad but it's the only way to not get screwed by them. Unfortunately for your father-in-law the cat is already out of the bag.

As for owing them money, that sounds like JC scare-tactics to me.

Now, damage limitation, I'd try the signing off followed by a rapid reclaim. I don't know if you can do this over the phone (so you don't have to see the same JC staff - chances are unless he was at an appointment etc the conversation will not have been noted down on his claim). Last time I signed off I just handed my book in to the reception staff without any chit chat with the signing off bit filled out. You can post the signing off book through the jobcentre door too, by the time anyone gets to processing it, you'll probably be back un the uk anyway
Say he thought he was going to get a temp job, but it just turned out to be registering with another ******** agency who like to get you on the books but never actually supply you with work. The agency in question was contacted outside of the JC and not through any of their recorded systems. There's plenty of them out there.

But as I said before your FIL has shot himself in the foot already, so take anything I say at this point under advisement.

Sometimes I despair that being honest gets you nothing these days.

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I don't see why they have told him he will owe them money if he signs off for a week. A guy that volunteers where I work signs off for a month each year to go to Thailand, he tells the job centre each time and they just remind him to do a rapid reclaim when he gets back. He has never been threatened with owing them money for taking a holiday. His last trip to Thailand was around 3-4 months ago, no idea if they have changed the rules since then but it wouldn't make sense to demand 1000 for signing off then back on.
He did have a bit of trouble with his rapid reclaim this time though, they somehow lost him on the system so he had to submit a fresh claim (no idea how you lose a person entirely lol).

As jumpy said, get him to fill in the signing off pages in his book and post it to them. Also get him to call on Monday (if you can) to sign off. Then when you get back in the country he should call again to arrange a rapid reclaim.

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 03:33   #15
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Tell them he is looking for work in Europe for 2 weeks, since they can't find him anything in this country. :P

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 03:51   #16
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My dad was on JSA for some time. We would still go to the continent (camping in 5euro sites, cooking our meals and doing free activities like hiking and beach). He justed signed off for the 2 weeks, no issues at all. You just don't get paid obviously.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 05:28   #17
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Dunno about just signing off now and bailing for 2 weeks after asking already. Would look proper dodge. I guess for future reference its worth nothing.

As for now sounds like your stuck between a rock and a hard place?

Only thing I can think of would be to spin them a yarn about going on holiday in the UK for 2 weeks but he yer that's like some next level undercover OP! Dunno I don't condone lying but I don't see any other solution. Did you have insurance sorted out, perhaps you can claim the price of the holiday back?
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 07:00   #18
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Well I have free travel insurance with my bank.

We are only going for 1 week also.


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Old 7th Dec 2013, 08:42   #19
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If he is not due to attend the jobcentre this coming week, just go they cant really check
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 11:58   #21
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Im struggling to find anything concrete online. Various forums say you can have holiday but only in the uk. But he was trying to sign off for the week he is away. Fully expecting no jsa due to not actively seeking work.

He was trying to do everything by the book.
You will most likely find the answer here

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...rt-staff-guide

But it's a lot to go through.

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 12:08   #22
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I remember when I was signed on I was allowed up to 2 weeks of holiday. No idea if the holiday being abroad was not allowed though. But then he tried to sign off so it really shouldn't matter to the Jobcentre.
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To save you looking through the whole document (although you may still want to):

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Participant is going abroad temporarily (including holidays abroad)
15. All JSA (IB) claimants going abroad will have their claim for JSA closed for
the period they are away.

16. JSA (Contributory [C]) claimants holidaying abroad will also have their
claims closed.

17. If a JSA (C) claimant moves abroad permanently, they may have the right
to claim the remainder of their benefit in the country they move to.
Jobcentre Plus will inform you of this change.

18. ESA claimants can go abroad for a period of up to 4 weeks and do not
have to notify Jobcentre Plus that they are doing so.

19. IS and IB claimants can go abroad for a period of up to 4 weeks, but must
notify Jobcentre Plus that they are doing so.

20. In some exceptional cases ESA can be paid to a participant whilst they are
abroad for a period of up to 52 weeks. The participant has to request
permission from DWP if they wish to do this.

21. If permission is granted you will be notified of this change.

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Tell them the holiday is cancelled.

Go anyway.

Worst case you get singed off and sign back on when you return. You can't to my knowledge possibly owe them any money. Just JSA staff been crap. I very brieflly worked in a jobcentre 15+ years ago and the staff are generally not the most motivated.

I am far too lazy to type a signa
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The problem won't be the JSA, it will be housing benefit. Most local authorities require proof of being on a benefit before paying housing benefit and from what I remember, part of the signing off process will be notifying the local authority that the benefit has stopped (usually done by the job centre). Obviously, he can sign off JSA and then sign back on again when he is back, however the local authority may be notified of this and refuse to pay the rent/mortgage for the week without prior permission.

I would ring your local authority/housing association and speak to them.


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Aren't the interviews every 2 weeks?

In which case I would just go, sod them.

Just keep him out of the sun
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if i had my tinfoil hat on id say he didnt want to go so he made up some BS and said the dole office wont let him go or it'd cost him 1,000
if you sign off your free to do as you please untill you sign back on imo
why did he leave it till the last minute? when ever you talked to him about the holiday what was his attitude like? did he seem 'right up for it' or was he like, yeah, ok, il go i suppose...

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No job no holiday I'm afraid

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No job no holiday I'm afraid
No job no present?

I agree, if you don't have a job you shouldn't be allowed birthday or Christmas presents at all.
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And you have to pick between eating and heating, and be willing to work for nothing.
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