Imitation Samurai swords too be banned!!

Glaucus · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:44

Helen said:
No I was making a point as some deluded people here seem to think a sword is more deadly than a gun

it is

a hand gun holds 9-11 bullets as standard. A sword has unlimited ammo. Also a wider field of damage. The reason most stab victims survive is it's not a sustained attack. It's one or two stabs and usually into fleshy parts.

A sword can be much more devastating than a gun in a confined area.

Helen · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:46

AcidHell2 said:
it is a hand gun holds 9-11 bullets as standard. A sword has unlimited ammo. Also a wider field of damage. The reason most stab victims survive is it's not a sustained attack. It's one or two stabs and usually into fleshy parts.

A sword can be much more devastating than a gun in a confined area.

Well then explain why no one died in the Sword attack at the church yet 32 people died from the gun attack at the vTech college in America :rolleyes:

People here really are chatting some dribble

Tefal · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:46

Helen said:
What a pathetic argument, come back when your talking sense rather than clutching at straws!!

how is that pathetic? i mearly asked you a question,on average 9 people die a day because of cars, should we ban them because for this?

if 0.0137 deaths per day is enough to justify a sword ban then surly 9 is enough to ban cars?

oh and 14 people where killed intentionally with cars in 2006 (from your pdf again) so that means they are nearly 3 times as effective as a murder weapon.

PikeyPriest · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:46

Helen said:
No I was making a point as some deluded people here seem to think a sword is more deadly than a gun And use that absurd argument when arguing against the gun ban!!

The BBC report has clearly showed that the weapon in question has already killed AT LEAST 5 people and wounded over 80 in the space of about a year! Just one attack is too many for me as I value human life greatly!

There are many things that cost more than 5 lives a year though, where will it end? You've given no evidence that the ban will do anything to reduce this figure, so what is the point in the legislation?

Tefal · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:47

Helen said:
Well then explain why no one died in the Sword attack at the church yet 32 people died from the gun attack at the vTech college in America

People here really are chatting some dribble

because the police man reading the psalms had a giant organ pipe.

Fubsy · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:48

Helen said:
What a pathetic argument, come back when your talking sense rather than clutching at straws!!

Why is it pathetic? Is it because it would affect you personally?

Glaucus · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:48

Helen said:
People here really are chatting some dribble

Yeh perhaps you should stop chatting then. A sword in a confined area is much more devastating than a hand gun. Just because you believe movies. It doesn't work like that in real life.
He also had an ak47, which is not a hand gun and can carry many more bullets.

Pigeon_Killer · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:49

Helen said:
People here really are chatting some dribble

Would you prefer it we stopped chatting dribble and posted pictures instead?

Helen · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:50

Fubar said:
Why is it pathetic? Is it because it would affect you personally?

Not at all I don't drive but understand that it's an integral part of modern society UNLIKE a ruddy sword or Gun :rolleyes:

Tefal · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:52

Helen said:
Not at all I don't drive but understand that it's an integral part of modern society UNLIKE a ruddy sword or Gun

ohhhhhhh so because most people use one its fine?

I'm sure that will be of comfort to the relatives of those 3600+ people :rolleyes:

Also what's with the constant capsloc for words? You 12 or new to the internet?

Helen · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:55

AcidHell2 said:
Yeh perhaps you should stop chatting then. A sword in a confined area is much more devastating than a hand gun. Just because you believe movies. It doesn't work like that in real life.
He also had an ak47, which is not a hand gun and can carry many more bullets.

lol
Unless your some sort of samurai MASTER then a gun is far more dangerous in pretty much any situation. Hence why when people go on sword killing spree's the death tolls if at all are low compared to 35, 32, 21 ....etc ...etc which ARE death tolls of killing spree's using GUNS!
Now your splitting hairs and being pedantic with the 'type' of gun :rolleyes:

A sure indication that your argument is weak tbh.

Fubsy · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:56

Helen said:
Not at all I don't drive but understand that it's an integral part of modern society UNLIKE a ruddy sword or Gun

But the majority of people owning swords and guns don't go using them on other people (talking civilians here not soldiers.)

I don't own a gun or sowrd and don't want to, but don't see the harm in letting responsible adults choose to own them.

By all means have tighter restrictions, but an all out ban is just another step to this government destorying more freedoms.

Glaucus · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:57

Helen said:
lol
sure indication that your argument is weak tbh.

No machine guns where banned anyway. So that would have had to be an illegal gun at the time of the shooting. So you see the weapon that caused the most damage was illegal anyway.

Helen · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:57

Tefal said:
You 12 or new to the internet?

lol, their you go again with the petty insults / digs. What were you saying about that earlier ???? You really are a hypocrite with no integrity!!

Fubar said:
but don't see the harm in letting responsible adults choose to own them.

I'll point it out for you then:

The Home Office estimates there have been some 80 attacks in recent years involving Samurai-style blades, leading to at least five deaths.

Tefal · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:58

Helen said:
lol
Unless your some sort of samurai MASTER then a gun is far more dangerous in pretty much any situation. Hence why when people go on sword killing spree's the death tolls if at all are low compared to 35, 32, 21 ....etc ...etc which ARE death tolls of killing spree's using GUNS!
Now your splitting hairs and being pedantic with the 'type' of gun A sure indication that your argument is weak tbh.

err splitting hairs with type of gun???

handgun (glock 15 to be precise)

ak47, wildly different beasts.

Also fun fact there is one ak47 for every 60 people on earth

Tefal · 12 Dec 2007 at 22:59

Helen said:
lol, their you go again with the petty insults / digs. What were you saying about that earlier ???? You really are a hypocrite with no integrity!!

Actually i just have no moral compass and so treat people in exactly the same way they treat me

Nitefly · 12 Dec 2007 at 23:00

AcidHell2 said:
it is a hand gun holds 9-11 bullets as standard. A sword has unlimited ammo. Also a wider field of damage. The reason most stab victims survive is it's not a sustained attack. It's one or two stabs and usually into fleshy parts.

A sword can be much more devastating than a gun in a confined area.

:/

You take a sword to a nightclub, I'll take a gun and some extra bullets and we'll see who gets more kills, yes?

Glaucus · 12 Dec 2007 at 23:02

So what was the problem with the other purposal. of keeping all guns on gun ranges. Heavy security and unable to remove from the range.

That would mean dumblane couldn't of happened with legal weapons and that people could still participate in there sport.

That's the biggest problem. A ban should be the last resort. There where several other options that would have kept the public safe whilst keeping the sport going.

Glaucus · 12 Dec 2007 at 23:03

Nitefly said:
:/

You take a sword to a nightclub, I'll take a gun and some extra bullets and we'll see who gets more kills, yes?

Go for it, while you reloading you'll be rushed. Where I keepp them In front and hack them to death.

Helen · 12 Dec 2007 at 23:04

AcidHell2 said:
So what was the problem with the other purposal. of keeping all guns on gun ranges. Heavy security and unable to remove from the range.

That would mean dumblane couldn't of happened with legal weapons and that people could still participate in there sport.

That's the biggest problem. A ban should be the last resort. There where several other options that would have kept the public safe whilst keeping the sport going.

Human error

Tefal said:
Actually i just have no moral compass and so treat people in exactly the same way they treat me

How mature