I'd like that in a journal paper please
Thats just an opinion, don't enforce it as 'fact' when it clearly isn't.
Is Foie Gras naughty?
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Thats just an opinion, don't enforce it as 'fact' when it clearly isn't.
Well I dont - hence my stance on Foie Gras.
You know they actually do this in Korea!? They but a dog in abag and beat it to death - beating the dog apparently makes it more tender. I'd certainly draw the line at eating that of course! (I'd eat unbeaten dog of course
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Killing sick rabbits is not predatorial. Neither is working in a slaughterhouse, arguably.
I'd like that in a journal paper please
Thats just an opinion, don't enforce it as 'fact' when it clearly isn't.
Foodchains were created to depict feeding relationships between organisms. If you suggest humans are at the top of a foodchain- removing them would have no primary effect on any wild animals. It would all be secondary environmental effects.Typically removing anything from a foodchain has a primary effect on the organism above and below it-which creates a knock on effect for all other species in the foodchain, however removing humans from the suggested food chain in which we exist and would be at the top of(supposedly) would not have any primary effects. Any farmed animal is not part of an ecosystem/foodchain that typically exists in a natural/wild environment, because it is bred artificially.
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Al ot of humans don't get there food from a farm. Farm or not. We are certainly at the top of a food chain.
Put it this way I would love to hunt my own meat. But as this country is so stupid it's not that easy. ewWish I was allowed an air rifle at work. However saying taht I might have to read up on traps. I could have venison all year round.
So where we differ is our opinion on what constitues "needless" harming of animals then. I'd say that force-feeding is needless. Obviously you disagree.
Out of interest, do you condone battery farming?
Well I dont - hence my stance on Foie Gras.
You know they actually do this in Korea!? They but a dog in abag and beat it to death - beating the dog apparently makes it more tender. I'd certainly draw the line at eating that of course! (I'd eat unbeaten dog of course
ive also heard they beat and boil cats alive to remove the fur, then eat
bit more extreme than stuffing a goose i admit
Nope. I think it's a bad practice, but for health reasons not cruelty reasons.
Err what? You're just blindly disagreeing with me with nothing to back up your claim.
Even if you did hunt your own meat, the fact that you made a conscious decision to do so reinforces my point. You do not need to hunt for meat for survival, ergo- you're not a predator.
that makes no sense.
Just because you don't need to. does not mean we're not predators. we have the physiology and instincts too hunt. therefore what ever you say, we are predators.
so all those tribes, all those people who live in the outback. All those inuits? I suppose they have a tesco as well.
Well I'd argue about predator competition effects but... never mind...
Humans are the ultimate trophic level. The reference to us as 'top of the food chain' is a phrase in reference to this. Why you are trying to bring ecology into this, is beyond me.
So in essense, you are saying it is wrong to eat farmed organisms?
I'm still waiting for your artical from Nature
Bah, all animals suffer for our benefit... if you don't eat foie gras for ethical reasons then you should turn vegan - not just become a vegetarian.
Ever wonder how cows are able to produce quite so much milk...? Cows are forceably made pregnant on a yearly cycle in order to produce milk for a few months following the calf's birth, and whilst they're pregnant they're fed a concoction of drugs - usually oxytocin and high-protein feeds - to stimulate the production of milk when it would normally not be produced.
As a result of being pumped full of hormones and chemicals, cows suffer from the minute they start producing milk. The normal life expectancy of a cow not being milked to death is anywhere between 20 and 30 years... for a cow that produces your daily pinta it's somewhere between 5 and 10. Whilst the cow is still alive it is more likely than not to suffer from ketosis, bovine mastitis and rumen acidosis.
Ever wonder how cows are able to produce quite so much milk...? Cows are forceably made pregnant on a yearly cycle in order to produce milk for a few months following the calf's birth, and whilst they're pregnant they're fed a concoction of drugs - usually oxytocin and high-protein feeds - to stimulate the production of milk when it would normally not be produced.
As a result of being pumped full of hormones and chemicals, cows suffer from the minute they start producing milk. The normal life expectancy of a cow not being milked to death is anywhere between 20 and 30 years... for a cow that produces your daily pinta it's somewhere between 5 and 10. Whilst the cow is still alive it is more likely than not to suffer from ketosis, bovine mastitis and rumen acidosis.
Again, I don't know where the sustainance in your arguement lies. You claim we are predators because we can choose to be so? Predatorialism exists in the animal kingdom whereby animals have to be physically fit/stronger in it's given environment. It has to rely on it's insticts to survive. Being sentient and conscious beings removes the need and the presence of these instincts largely, therefore we are not predators.
No we are predators at birth. We are taught not to be. A person is naturally aggressive and a hunter.
We are taught not to be in the western world.
Well I'd argue about predator competition effects but... never mind...
Humans are the ultimate trophic level. The reference to us as 'top of the food chain' is a phrase in reference to this. Why you are trying to bring ecology into this, is beyond me.
So in essense, you are saying it is wrong to eat farmed organisms?
I'm still waiting for your artical from nature
You're not going to get an article
Ecology is relevant to the issue of predatorial behaviour in animals, in foodchains and how it is not relevant when applied to humans. I'm not saying it's wrong to eat farmed organisms, i'm saying eating farmed organisms does not make you a predator in any sense of the term because the animals are bred aritificially and do not exist in a foodchain.
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saw a program on the treatment of the birds involved. horrible. no need at all. im not against killing animals for food but theres no need for them to suffer like that while they are alive. sick
Thats a shame, because you are simply showing how this:You're not going to get an article
Is nothing more than your opinion (which is exactly why there will be nothing worth quoting found in anything remotely scientific - although I will be most intrigued if you do find something which deals with the issue). Sorry.
You know this how? Because of a couple of feral kids? Whatever you claim, i'm glad we're not predatorial, it's an ugly aspect of the animal kingdom, albeit a necessary one that barely exists in developed human beings. People say that people behave like animals with negative reference.