I dont think it could now, I think its too late for that.
For or against corporal punishment in schools ?
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I dont think it could now, I think its too late for that.
For it.
I'm teaching in Korea at the moment and it is still used here. The kids are like angels compared to the kids back home. They still have their moments, but not even close to those a child in the UK seems to have all the damn time.
Although it is an option out here, it isn't all that common as the mere threat of it is enough to keep most children in line.
Most children will cross the line if they know the repercussions are minor/ inconsequential.
I'm teaching in Korea at the moment and it is still used here. The kids are like angels compared to the kids back home. They still have their moments, but not even close to those a child in the UK seems to have all the damn time.
Although it is an option out here, it isn't all that common as the mere threat of it is enough to keep most children in line.
Most children will cross the line if they know the repercussions are minor/ inconsequential.
Oh I do agree National service from 18-21 would be so so many benefits to the whole of society, young people say they would miss quality education and social times. But you don't stand around in the army, you can learn things - not the inner workings of world trade but still useful college like courses (defeat the point of a college
?). You will be taught how to keep fit and look after yourself, and get some discipline.Other countries have it and have a lower youth problem, they also have virtually no teen pregnancies, alcohol problems, benefit problems. But that’s a few threads.
They still have it.
And they still have their hazing too. Just checked on wikipedia, it's called: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina
Looks very harsh.
Something does need to be done. I don't know really what system people are proposing other than, beat children if they do wrong. Kids screw around it's what they do, they need to learn, but not by being beaten at school by someone they most likely don't know. It's an ugly ugly means to an end.
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For, never did me any harm infact, it taught me to respect people more and not be an arse. I was in a bording school for 3 years and a "posh" school for 2, both had punishment schemes in effect, mainly the cane. Bording School was far stricter but you learnt from your mistakes, something modern youth dont seem to be doing.
Some of the kids is see about now adays just makes me feel sick they have zero respect for anything.
Some of the kids is see about now adays just makes me feel sick they have zero respect for anything.
Was going to school a positive experience for you? It seems a lot of the people who support this, also had this in their school when they were younger. It almost seems like some people (not necessarily you) are trying impose the crap they had to put up with on another generation children. Corporal punishment is not the only solution.
Corporal punishment was banned over 20 years ago, and I personally don't think things have gotten much worse in schools over that time. My wife teaches in a big state secondary school (I think its the third biggest in the country) and from what I can see, there are nice kids and there are idiotic kids, just like there were back in the 80s, 70s, and any time before that.
My wife doesn't want the ability to hurt her kids (she's only 5' 1" anyway). She just wants the troublemakers to stop getting in the way of those who are willing to listen. I can't think of an avenue more disruptive to the class than corporal punishment would be. I also don't like the idea of segregating bad kids, but I don't see any other way out.
My wife doesn't want the ability to hurt her kids (she's only 5' 1" anyway). She just wants the troublemakers to stop getting in the way of those who are willing to listen. I can't think of an avenue more disruptive to the class than corporal punishment would be. I also don't like the idea of segregating bad kids, but I don't see any other way out.
Where are you getting this beating from?
Stop dressing it up as a school kid getting slammed by a teacher then kicked in the ribs. Abuse situations would be easyier to identify in todays schools. In the 50's kids were beaten other teacher turned a blind eye much like the police on black people or know offenders and the army on who ever they could get thier hands on - it was the society at the time. Today most wouldn't stand for it, if a kid have a fist imprint on his hand questions would be raised.
I would imagine a system of a problembeing reported by morethen one person with another teacher present for a crack of the ruler. Or a clip round the ear when they won't shut up in lesson.
I awlays wanted the teacher to throw the board eraser at the girls at the front, it would never happen though.
I always wonder where it all changed, what happened for kids to end up how they are now. If we find the answer to that question, then maybe it can be addressed.
Kids when I was at school simply didnt behave the way the kids in the school where I work now do. We ran about, we played "war" in the woods, we played tag and bulldog, had "piles on" on the field, chattered in class..but by god when the teachers told us to stop/be quiet, we damn well did.
We didnt get into violent physical fights, we didnt bring alcohol and drugs into school, we most definately didnt bring weapons into school, we didnt photograph upskirt shots of girls in the class and stick them on a website, and we certainly didnt talk back , or worse, physically assault the teachers.
I dont know..maybe I just went to a good school when I was a kid, but every day when I go into work I get amazed at what the kids can do and get nothing more than a little telling off, or sitting in the heads corridor for a bit. Amazed and sickened.
[DW]Muffin;10843232 said:
When was the last time you were at school? In my secondary if a teacher so much as touched a student the student would claim they'd been harassased or something similar. Often resulting in parents coming into school to talk to heads etc. If anything corporal punishment encourages the idea the violence is a solution to a problem- which is not an attitude that should be encouraged considering the amount of violence that already happens in schools.
They still have it.
And they still have their hazing too. Just checked on wikipedia, it's called: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina
Looks very harsh.
Any more recent articles? I could be wrong of course, I only heard it from one bloke who was there.
Disciplining a child should not be the responsibilty of someone who is paid to teach them. It is the responsibility of the parent, and by bringing corporal punishment back into schools you're giving lazy parents another reason to blame someone else for thier own kids failure.
There certainly needs to be better ways to deal with disruptive kids in and out of school, but corporal punishment is not the way forward (IMO).
There certainly needs to be better ways to deal with disruptive kids in and out of school, but corporal punishment is not the way forward (IMO).
2002.
And there is a good example this society views a teacher touching a child as a serious situation.
"It may cause abuse" - sorry, no.
The violence in schools einates from the students, if they had the fear of god put into them, they will behave. We have been show that this system operated in Korea and first hand that the kids are still kids.
[DW]Muffin;10843289 said:
What do you mean sorry, no? How do you know if it will cause abuse or not? And as for korea- it's a completely different country, with a different culture, how can you say a system that has reportedly worked there will work in our country? You can't just bruteforce your way through teaching. Putting the "fear of god" as you so eloquently put it, into children is not something that is going to be conducive to learning. If you're constantly in fear of pain how are you going to concentrate? You might aswell send the kids to a bootcamp.
A teacher I know was investigated for sexual harassment. What did they do?
A girl was sat on top of a desk with her legs up on another desk blocking a door way. After she wouldn't move. he pushed her legs aside to get through. 6 months investigation, hassle and loads of stress and he was found innocent of doing anything wrong.
This is how stupid society has got these days.
That's what should happen to trouble makers both in and out of school. until the age of 16 where they go to prison.
A girl was sat on top of a desk with her legs up on another desk blocking a door way. After she wouldn't move. he pushed her legs aside to get through. 6 months investigation, hassle and loads of stress and he was found innocent of doing anything wrong.
This is how stupid society has got these days.
That's what should happen to trouble makers both in and out of school. until the age of 16 where they go to prison.
Yeah, I've seen many cases like that. The whole paranoia thing with "perverts" is insane.
The worse thing is 5 years latter he's only just stopped taking anti depresent drugs.
We received corporal punishment in my school. We were smacked and if you were really bad you got the cane.
I'm all for it but our namby-pamby society seems to have forgotten how to discipline children. Naughty step, what a load of crap.
I'm all for it but our namby-pamby society seems to have forgotten how to discipline children. Naughty step, what a load of crap.