Hitler dolls comming soon!

JudgeC said:
Didn't everyone in the 70's dress their action man up as Hitler, I know I did.

Then along with Herman Stretch-Armstrong and Heinrich Six-Million-Dollar-Man, he went on to subjegate the toy box and wipe out the vile untermenshe of next doors doll house.

Alas it all ended in tears and he was forced to put a bullet through his eagle-eye when the masses of the allied forces, lead by Marshall Evel Knievel surrounded his garden stronghold. I ended up burning his body along with that of his mistress Barbie Braun, whom he had married shortly before carrying out their mutual suicide pact.
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Sounds like toy soldier fights at your house were awesome.:cool:
 
>:|sh4d0w|:< said:
I dont see what the problem is. You cant even mention Hitler or the Holocaust without someone saying something. Its a part of history that we cannot erase.
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The problem is here:

It is estimated that about 55 million people died in the European theater during World War II. Globally a total of over 60 million people died in WWII and of those 60 million, more were civilian than soldiers. The Soviet Union lost the most with 25 million deaths, but only about a third were combat related. China's death toll is incomplete but estimates are between 15 and 22 million, Poland had 6 million deaths including 3 million Jews, roughly 20% of its prewar population, Germany lost 4 million soldiers and 2 million civilians, many of them women, Japan had 1.2 million battle deaths and another 1.4 million soldiers listed as missing, almost 1 million civilians were killed in the bombing raids between 1944 and 1945, over 1.7 million Yugoslavs and 500,000 Greeks died in the war, France lost 200,000 soldiers and 400,000 civilians, Italy lost 330,000 people, Hungary lost 147,000 men in combat, Bulgaria lost 19,000 in combat, Romania lost 73,000 in combat, Great Britain lost 264,000 soldiers and 60,000 civilians in bombing raids, the United States lost 292,000 soldiers, the Dutch lost 10,000 soldiers and 190,000 civilians, Australia lost 23,000 men in combat, Canada 37,000 soldiers, India lost 24,000 men in battle, New Zealand 10,000 and South Africa 6,000. These totals do not include the 6 million Jews who perished in the Final Solution of Nazi Germany or the 17 million dead as a result of Japan's policies in Asia from 1931 to 1945.

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simulatorman said:
The problem is here:

It is estimated that about 55 million people died in the European theater during World War II. Globally a total of over 60 million people died in WWII and of those 60 million, more were civilian than soldiers. The Soviet Union lost the most with 25 million deaths, but only about a third were combat related. China's death toll is incomplete but estimates are between 15 and 22 million, Poland had 6 million deaths including 3 million Jews, roughly 20% of its prewar population, Germany lost 4 million soldiers and 2 million civilians, many of them women, Japan had 1.2 million battle deaths and another 1.4 million soldiers listed as missing, almost 1 million civilians were killed in the bombing raids between 1944 and 1945, over 1.7 million Yugoslavs and 500,000 Greeks died in the war, France lost 200,000 soldiers and 400,000 civilians, Italy lost 330,000 people, Hungary lost 147,000 men in combat, Bulgaria lost 19,000 in combat, Romania lost 73,000 in combat, Great Britain lost 264,000 soldiers and 60,000 civilians in bombing raids, the United States lost 292,000 soldiers, the Dutch lost 10,000 soldiers and 190,000 civilians, Australia lost 23,000 men in combat, Canada 37,000 soldiers, India lost 24,000 men in battle, New Zealand 10,000 and South Africa 6,000. These totals do not include the 6 million Jews who perished in the Final Solution of Nazi Germany or the 17 million dead as a result of Japan's policies in Asia from 1931 to 1945.

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tl;dr

A lot of people died in horrible ways. We knew that already.
 
platypus said:
None of that serves to show why it's a problem to discuss the man.

In fact, it serves more to show that Hitler wasn't the worst dictator in history, but that his contemporary Stalin was far worse, as were the Japanese.
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but if someone made a Stalin doll, or doll of the 30-40s leaders then you could imagine people getting upset abuot it.
 
Quote Monkey Puzzle -

"Sounds like toy soldier fights at your house were awesome."


Yes but the repercussions were terrible.
Stretch Armstrong ended up killing himself with a cyanide capsule before he could be sentenced for war crimes.
 
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lowrider007 said:
I agree, the more we overreact to stuff like this the more it empowers his image surely ?
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I disagree, we should react, remember, and teach our children about what man can do. There must now be a generation that don’t know about this and think this is some kind of joke..
 
This thread went the wrong way as usual in these matters, I posted it because I thought, well its not in the best taste to make the doll IMHO. Some funny stuff been said in here though on ther humour side. Maybe one day they will have tony and george dolls in Iraqi and Afghan shops supplied with a sandle to slap their faces with (apparantly a big insult if you are muslim).
 
I'm not sure about this really.

On one hand if you erase all knowledge of him, refuse to make dolls of him and bury your head in the sand no good can come of these actions. After all it's only a doll.
On the other hand having a Hitler doll is a bit bad taste and could offend Jewish friends or visitors to your house if they happened to see it in the toy box or on a shelf along with your collection of beanie babies.

Luckilly I couldn't care either way as I have no desire to own a Hitler doll. If I saw one in a shop I wouldn't really mind, if someone wants to make or buy one good for them but I wouldn't want it removed from sale after all overzealous censorship isn't far from China, North Korea or how the Soviet Union was.
 
wordy said:
but if someone made a Stalin doll, or doll of the 30-40s leaders then you could imagine people getting upset abuot it.
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That's simply because western countries as a whole have taken more guilt on board for what happened to the Jews as we appeased Hitler for so long. Who's to say Hitler killing 6 million Jews is worse then Stalin killing 25 million Russians? I'd say Stalin is far worse, and it's only because we cosied up to him after Hitlers inexplicable attempted attack on Moscow that he's seen as a lesser villain. And maybe because he choose to attack an impoverished people, rather then a religion.
 
simulatorman said:
I disagree, we should react, remember, and teach our children about what man can do. There must now be a generation that don’t know about this and think this is some kind of joke..
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Aggreed, the fact of what happened should be talked about openly. Also even if a doll is in bad taste it brings the character to the fore in the news and such allowing people who maybe don't know so much about said character to become informed. Bad ideas or what seem to be bad ideas help inform people when debate and conversation are provoked by said ideas, like the doll.
 
Platypus, I interpreted both your post and Divo's as saying that because Hitler and his army were drugged-up, it somehow mitigated responsibility for their actions.

Re-reading the thread your post is more of a statement and nothing else, where as divo seems to be making a case for Hitler. However, the lack of any other input on the matter from yourself made me assume upon first glance that you were agreeing with him.

Panzer
 
What's the huge problem here?

We should never forget Hitler and what he did.

Also on a side not more civilians died than soldiers? Can they really be called civilians. When everyone is working for the war machine in a world war.
 
AcidHell2 said:
What's the huge problem here?

We should never forget Hitler and what he did.

Also on a side not more civilians died than soldiers? Can they really be called civilians. When everyone is working for the war machine in a world war.
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Whatever way you look at it if you choose not to fight you are civilian and its poor form and against international law (not that every country on the planet breaks international law regularly including us) but civilians should not be intentionally killed. And I think the term you are looking for is not world war but total war where civilian populus are targeted as part of a countries infrastructure and ability to wage war.

In WW2 civilians were not just targeted as infrastructure crucial to a war effort as workers and such. They were targeted as fair game to kill, from children and infants to adults and the elderly. There is no reason to target a whole population as a whole population is not crucial to a war effort. Even workers targeted in factories simply because they worked in an essential industry cannot all be labled as legitiate targets. Some would be called collateral damage an unfortunate means to an end but knew the risks of their jobs and others slaves and forced labour, once again collateral damage but in the unfortunate position of being forced into the crosshairs of an enemy state.
 
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