Advice for Eve newbie?

[richb_83]

EVE's great...probably the only game out there with such a wide scope of 'do-able' things.

IMO the 14-day trial is not enough to see what it has to offer. Give it at least 6 months! I've been playing since March 05...I'm still learning lol.

Just remember EVE is like Marmite...either you'll 'Love it' or 'Hate it'.

EVE is want you make it...if you wish to play it 'singleplayer' and NPC, run missions etc then you can do that. You can do what ever the **** you want However, getting into a player run corp is a definate plus. The new tutorial is great at getting you used to the basics of the game from what I've heard but you'll get the best advice and tips on how to get the most out of EVE from older players.

Some people see it as a second life or 'job' and all I can say is that if you see it as a job your playing the game wrong and spending a little time trying out other parts of the game = win.

I have tried everything and for me PvP in small tight knit groups <20 man gangs is my area of EVE. I have experianced the huge lag fests with 200 man fleets and Capital ships. Contended with 30 mins of module lag and de-sync and that wasn't for me.

Other friends of mine like to sit and make billions on the market through production, buying/selling etc . Other even like to mine all the time! HOW BORING! Still thats their choice and thats how they chose to play the game.

 

[timbob]

I think EVE has had its day.

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There's also one alliance now so rich (Band of Brothers), they are destroying the game in 0.0 (non policed zones) through sheer numbers of supercapital ships most players couldn't even afford after five years of grinding.

Surely this is what Eve is about? I don't play anymore, I too got bored of the repetitive mission running. But, a player run alliance is now a controlling power in the Eve universe... They own their own space. To me that is brilliant, the game has taken on politics and territory wars of its own.

There are these areas of 0.0 space you can't go, and not because there's a computer faction that'll kill you, but because a group of players have organised themselves, with a leader, command structures, mining divisions, ship and weapon construction facilities, into a faction so big that they are controlling part of the universe.

 

[Final8y]

You are still misunderstanding my point about TF2...I am not going to repeat myself...again.

Fun; activities that are enjoyable or amusing. Would you class NPCing or missioning under this, at all? Can you imagine anyone saying they are fun? By saying fact I am simply emphasizing a point. I know all people think differently, and enjoy other things, I am not a fool; I just can't get it into my head that someone will find these fun.

And in 2 replies you've related Eve to life. Its a scary thought...to me anyway. The OP has asked for advice because he's starting the trial on his 2 week holiday from work, Eve throws you back into work , I find quite ironic.

If you sat there now, on your monstrously racked up up playing time on eve, and it starting telling you the objectives...giving you a linear passage through the game; you would get bored. Hence my theory (dumbed it down from fact!), you have to make it fun. Leave it at that.

PS
marl, you will get 21-days trial when get it from Steam.

NO i do get your point but its not one you should be making which is judging EVE against TF2 as its apple to oranges in that case & you should be judging EVE with games like WOW...ects not.

You find the Life part scary because you don't understand or your in denial objective in EVE is the same in true life, Make money anyway you can, capitalize & get your possessions & have fun while doing it if you want.

The grinding will make me think just that bit more that i put some effort into getting the possessions & think about your actions to not lose them or life as they can be timely & costly to replace.

Flying through 0.1 gives me a great buzz as the potential consequences are great & i don't get that feeling from allot of other games to often as its ether respawn with not to much loss or restart from checkpoint or redo race until you come first.

You see EVE as works that's fine by me each to there own but the problem is your comments are not about how you feeling & opinions about the game as that would not be a problem, the problem is your dictating as to what others should like & dislike & what should be fun to them because its boring & like a job to YOU.

 

[Final8y]

Surely this is what Eve is about? I don't play anymore, I too got bored of the repetitive mission running. But, a player run alliance is now a controlling power in the Eve universe... They own their own space. To me that is brilliant, the game has taken on politics and territory wars of its own.

There are these areas of 0.0 space you can't go, and not because there's a computer faction that'll kill you, but because a group of players have organised themselves, with a leader, command structures, mining divisions, ship and weapon construction facilities, into a faction so big that they are controlling part of the universe.

Absolutely Fantastic & a great challenge.
Eve is what we make it.

 

[marl]

PS
marl, you will get 21-days trial when get it from Steam.

Cheers mate 21 days is better than 14!

 

[Amnesia]

i installed eve and started the tutorial........ then i fell asleep. Then i woke up and realised my head had fallen in my lasagne whilst attempting to mine something off a rock in space. Then i got up and washed my face. Then i walked back to my computer and closed all apps to windows desktop. Then i went into add/remove programmes and uninstalled eve.... quickly. The moment it was removed from my machine i instantly became more invigorated, more motivated and ultimately less bored.

Unless you have no social life and are perhaps a virgin i would suggest staying away from Eve - it takes TOO long to get into and the learning curve is only suitable to those whom have a LOT of free time.

This is of course all in my opinion. Eve is not a 'get up and go' game. Its also hillariously boring to me. - im sure its awesome to others and i salute you for that.

but did u finish the dish of lasagne ?

 

[ACESHIGH]

You are still misunderstanding my point about TF2...I am not going to repeat myself...again.

Fun; activities that are enjoyable or amusing. Would you class NPCing or missioning under this, at all? Can you imagine anyone saying they are fun? By saying fact I am simply emphasizing a point. I know all people think differently, and enjoy other things, I am not a fool; I just can't get it into my head that someone will find these fun.

I am a new EVE player and yes i do find running missions fun. It may be its because i am new and its different and this is my first taste of action in EVE other than when i jumped to 0.0 to see where all the big battles were and got podded (which was interesting itself & i didnt mind as i expected that). I consider it my lead into PVP (which i hope to do later on).

Its likely after a few weeks / months that i may not be so enamoured by mission running (but by then i will be able to move on to PVP or some other new area of EVE and i will find that interesting and new as well), but maybe not as i do hear the missions get tougher and there is interesting loot to get against a variety of different rat types.

You say you are bored of the game yet you still played it for 3 years. I have a few games i purchased and didnt play for 3 hours - now they are boring. You may have done all you wanted in EVE and moved on but that doesnt mean others cannot enjoy what EVE is.

 

[Pottsey]

"You arent getting the point and your deflecting my main argument about gameplay; TF2 is great fun but you don't have to TRY to have fun on it. You have to TRY to have fun on Eve, thats what sandbox games are all about mate."
I found it the other way around, I had to try to make TF2 fun and it wasn't even after trying. Eve was fun right out the box.



"Eve doesnt tell you what to do, eve doesnt give you objectives."
The first thing it does is give you an objective, which you can refuse but its still an objective. What about joning Faction Warfare which gives lots of objectives by agents and fleet comanders.

Eve gives you options you can choose to follow objectives or make your own objectives up.

 

[shaggyd]

Also as a newb, don't buy the biggest ship you can afford. Save the money and learn the necessary skills to at least lvl 3.
Also, use the market to shop around for the cheapest prices on hardware.
Tool your new ship with looted kit, until you are confident with it then buy better gear.
Before you venture into a lower sec (eg. 0.4), insure your ship for 100% and clone your character to prevent skill points lost if your pod is blasted.
Oh, and don't forget to insult the pirate who ransoms your pod - if you followed the above insurance advice you really don't have anything to lose when he pod kills you.

 

[spacedskunk]

"You arent getting the point and your deflecting my main argument about gameplay; TF2 is great fun but you don't have to TRY to have fun on it. You have to TRY to have fun on Eve, thats what sandbox games are all about mate."
I found it the other way around, I had to try to make TF2 fun and it wasn't even after trying. Eve was fun right out the box.



"Eve doesnt tell you what to do, eve doesnt give you objectives."
The first thing it does is give you an objective, which you can refuse but its still an objective. What about joning Faction Warfare which gives lots of objectives by agents and fleet comanders.

Eve gives you options you can choose to follow objectives or make your own objectives up.

OK ok ok, maybe I worded it all wrong.

My point with TF2..infact lets throw more examples into the mix, COD4, GRID, CS:S etc. You can play these games and either enjoy them or dislike them depending on preference. You can't change the game play. You can in Eve, however YOU have to choose what is fun, YOU have to decide. Also it doesn't give you objectives as the start, it gives you a tutorial, which you can chose to do or not. It tells you how to function the game, but not what to do and afterwards your on your own.

ACESHIGH: I played Eve for 3 years, but not religiously. About 6 hours a week, and about 12 when I was on PvP ops. I have not gone into any other field other than pvp and different forms of pvp (0.0, pirating (this was the most fun, but since pirating has become a camp gate fest; terrible), empire wars etc). My main problem with missions, and NPCing, is that your killing computer bots, and after a certain point of building a ship and setup for missioning you don't even need to think really, just put the right hardeners on, load the most effective ammo and go in. It gets horrendously repetitive, and fair enough when your new, its a change; a refreshing experience I can't argue against that. Once you go to pvp though, you'll generally see missioning as a use of income and that's all, it will ride up your backside, especially if you aren't patient.

Eve started going dull over a year ago now to be honest. Even though it had a massive expansion, I thought the capitals and all that just bored the hell out of me.

Having said that is it probably the best MMORPG out there from what I have tried, providing you don't let yourself get too deep into it.

 

[Pottsey]

"Also it doesn't give you objectives as the start, it gives you a tutorial, which you can chose to do or not. It tells you how to function the game, but not what to do and afterwards your on your own."
At the end of the tutorial it sends you to a storyline agent with an objective and line of special missions along with a special reward if you don't fail. That's how I got my savage drone skill book.




"My main problem with missions, and NPCing, is that your killing computer bots, and after a certain point of building a ship and setup for missioning you don't even need to think really, just put the right hardeners on, load the most effective ammo and go in."
Do that with Cosmos missions and you will fail and then not be allowed to continue the storyline chain. There are 3 sets of missions

Agent missions
Cosmos Missions
Expeditions and the like

It sounds like you only did agent missions the worst of the 3. Those are pretty much just don't think, blast away. The other two are not like that.




"Eve started going dull over a year ago now to be honest. Even though it had a massive expansion, I thought the capitals and all that just bored the hell out of me."
I agree the past two expansion have been a complete waste of time and shouldnt even be called expansions. So small with little of interest. Getting bored myself only because there is nothing much new to do in over a year. Ran out of skills to train, ships to buy e.c.t





"You can play these games and either enjoy them or dislike them depending on preference. You can't change the game play. You can in Eve, however YOU have to choose what is fun, YOU have to decide."
Surly that's a good thing? Eve has multiply paths with diffrent gameplay and you choose the ones that you like. Even swaping after a while fro a change.

I fail to see how you have to try to have fun by choosing different paths and only going down the ones you find fun. Opposed to TF2 type games where you have one type of gameplay. Though I would argue choosing career paths in Eve is not that diffrent from choosing class paths in TF2. You have to try and find the right class in TF2 that's fun. You have to try and find the right career path in Eve that is fun.

 

[spacedskunk]

"You can play these games and either enjoy them or dislike them depending on preference. You can't change the game play. You can in Eve, however YOU have to choose what is fun, YOU have to decide."
Surly that's a good thing? Eve has multiply paths with diffrent gameplay and you choose the ones that you like. Even swaping after a while fro a change.

I fail to see how you have to try to have fun by choosing different paths and only going down the ones you find fun. Opposed to TF2 type games where you have one type of gameplay. Though I would argue choosing career paths in Eve is not that diffrent from choosing class paths in TF2. You have to try and find the right class in TF2 that's fun. You have to try and find the right career path in Eve that is fun.

This is where people have been mixing me up, I never said it was a bad thing to have to make the game fun. It was my tip for the OP, you have to manipulate around eve to make it fun for you.