Teachers demand 10% pay increase - Thoughts?

theres a lot of ignorance in here reguarding teachers.
Somebody thinks a teachers day starts at 8? hmm, my mums usually in school for 715....
she gets home at about 5-6? then shes got her marking, produces her own worksheets etc... this is generally every night of the week.
its an intensive job, they deserve those long holidays, for all the marking etc, dealing with kids.
 
Matt said:
So to do roughly the same amount of hours over a year as in a normal job they would have to do approx 10hr days. So roughly 8am-7pm inc 1hr for lunch. I very much doubt the majority of teachers do that every day.
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You obviously don't know many teachers. Both my parents are easily doing this. Moreso for my mum (primary school teacher) who is often up until the early hours writing out meaningless reports, marking, planning lessons etc. One thing that much of the public don't realise is that teachers have almost become social workers. The amount of reports my parents (especially my mother) have to fill out about if she thinks a childs parent is capable of looking after their children etc is absolutely mind blowing.

Matt said:
It does also seem like teachers are always complaining about being paid so little. If its that bad then why don't they quit and do a normal job?! oh yeah... only 4weeks holiday, poor benefits, bad pensions, and paid even less.
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So is this what are you doing to tell the teachers that have served the public for the last 30 years? Then what are you left with? NQT's who don't know their left from their right, can't teach, can't control children and don't have a clue about how much paperwork is involved? Niceeee.

And then on top of that teachers with 10's of years of experience are being assessed by retards (OfSTED) who couldn't actually make it in real teaching so chose to criticise teachers who have been doing their jobs since before many of these moron's could walk
 
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peetee said:
theres a lot of ignorance in here reguarding teachers.
Somebody thinks a teachers day starts at 8? hmm, my mums usually in school for 715....
she gets home at about 5-6? then shes got her marking, produces her own worksheets etc... this is generally every night of the week.
its an intensive job, they deserve those long holidays, for all the marking etc, dealing with kids.
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Exactly, with most "normal" jobs, you can come home and totally forget about work. But with teaching you are still at work!
 
Classic negotiating tactic. Ask for far more than you want. Threaten to strike - waste about 4 months going backwards and forward - negotiate pay deal of 3% over three years (which is probably all anyone in the public sector is likely to get).
 
a 10% bump is stupid, not least because many don't deserve it, and many good teachers need a bigger bump to keep them teaching rather than going after decent employment.

Our education system is screwed and our teachers have become little more than teaching the answers to tests before kids take tests, theres no creativity or wideknowledge or a wide skillset needed. Bumping the pay just makes more people who won't be good teachers move into the career because of a certain salary.

Fire incompetant teachers and give the best teachers a good bump before we lose them too, but the whole system needs to change back to a similar setup to more than 20 years ago, teaching, ignoring troubled kids rather than give them more intense teaching, stop testing them every 8 seconds of the week and teach kids a LOT and test them on a tiny COMPLETELY RANDOM part of it.

THe job teachers do now generally just doesn't deserve a big bump, in all honesty they are reading from books and teaching answers, they aren't really teaching as it used to be done and its a joke now. I was in school, just over a decade ago last really at the point when we had some very very good older teachers who had immense knowledge and tried to teach you HOW to come up with YOUR OWN ANSWERS, which is a hard skill, leading someone to their own conclusion. WE also had a lot of student teachers, who when asked questions relating to the material in class, had no clue, couldn't expand on anything and weren't trying to teach you to learn, they were just spewing crap out from the text books and giving out answers, they were hopeless and thats the job now, completely different and no, they shouldn't be paid greatly.
 
Monkey Puzzle said:
That's strange, because the number of teachers giving up teaching to 'get a real job' is large, has been a major problem in recruiting and maintaining the number of teachers, and was one of the major reasons why they introduced the 'golden handshake' scheme to entice people to teach. Perhaps you were just basing this on your personal experiences?:confused:
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Yeah, that's a pretty ridiculous claim he's made, considering nearly 50% of qualified teachers are no longer in the profession after 2 years.
 
Is there some sort of lifetime contract teachers are forced to sign upon entering the profession? Is there something I've not been told? If the job is too tough, and not worth the cash offered, simply leave. As with, oooh I don't know, anyone else in any other job.
 
big_white_dog84 said:
I'd happily give them a 10% pay rise if they agreed to drop their holidays. As has previously been posted, if they don't like their wages they can get a real job. It's amazing how few people you meet in the real world who used to be teachers.
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you do realise they work out of school term time and holliday time. Some subjects are much worse than other. especially practical things like D&T or what ever they call that set of subjects now. It also doesn't help teh government keep seriously messing with the curriculum. Meaning all those lesons have to be redon and new material designed/sourced/made.

Teachers, can;'t just walk in, each lesson needs a lesson plan.
 
w11tho said:
Is there some sort of lifetime contract teachers are forced to sign upon entering the profession? Is there something I've not been told? If the job is too tough, and not worth the cash offered, simply leave. As with, oooh I don't know, anyone else in any other job.
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No, but if you flick to page 2 you'll see part of my argument is that situation can be reversed - if it's so great, why isn't everyone wanting to do it?
 
If this does go through I think the ones who constantly achieve above their targets should certainly get it. Not across the board though - not every teacher would deserve it, just as in any profession.
 
My sister is a teacher, she works from about 11hours at the school then 1-2 hours when she gets back home 5 days a week, then again works at home at the weekends, she does 5-6 year olds i think.

I agree some teachers do seem lazy, but unless you know one you don't realise how hard they work.
 
It's the same as any job.

If the teacher is good - they will do a lot more than the 8-5 work. I know a teacher friend who is regarded as one of the best teachers in the city (and has set up 2 businesses teaching hard-to-teach kids at 29)

She puts in about 80 hours of work a week as a normal teacher and gets a below average wage for that. I also have a neighbour who is basically a lazy work-shy layabout of a teacher - who does the hours, go out on the lash most nights and has no teaching ability.

Unfortunately they are both on relatively the same wage.

If they can get 10% - fair play - they deserver it with what they have to deal with these days.
 
w11tho said:
Is there some sort of lifetime contract teachers are forced to sign upon entering the profession? Is there something I've not been told? If the job is too tough, and not worth the cash offered, simply leave. As with, oooh I don't know, anyone else in any other job.
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Have you never asked for a payrise then?
 
Spuderoony said:
No, but if you flick to page 2 you'll see part of my argument is that situation can be reversed - if it's so great, why isn't everyone wanting to do it?
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Who suggested it was great? Nobody, to my knowledge.
Gaygle said:
Have you never asked for a payrise then?
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Funnily enough, no - but I wouldn't rule it out. If (and when?) I did though, I wouldn't threaten strike action, were I not to receive what I wanted.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Our education system is screwed and our teachers have become little more than teaching the answers to tests before kids take tests, theres no creativity or wideknowledge or a wide skillset needed.
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Not all correct. Yes we are assessed on the ability of kids being able to get grades in exam papers, and those results form the league tables you use to pick the best school. Thus creating pressure from the government and the senior leaders of a school to the departments and teachers, so yes, teaching kids to answer questions is essential.

The challenging part is trying to get kids to understand why they need to answer the question in that way, it cannot be done with all kids as getting them to turn up is a challenge in itself. Unless you want your lessons to be boring, book based then you need no creativity or knowledge base. It is a hard job.
 
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