Six Scotland Yard officers are accused of 'waterboarding' drug suspects

I think we could sit here and argue all day about whether certain drugs should be legalised. I think people have such strong opinions on this because they feel confused by drug classification, I certainly am.

It would be interesting to see who in this thread has actually tried illegal drugs.

Classification needs an overhaul, how ecstasy can be thrown into the same category as Herion is just beyond me...:confused:

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AcidHell2 said:
but one causes the other.
Just like drink driving. they may get caught and be "no victims". but then if left they could crash and cause deaths.
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So you agree in principle that you can have a crime with no victims then? Good.

So do you think drink driving law should be removed?
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Hello no, and neither should the speeding laws - but then again I never suggested that they should be, so I don't know why you are bringing them up - other than to be an argumentative git like me! :D
 
AcidHell2 said:
but one causes the other.
Just like drink driving. they may get caught and be "no victims". but then if left they could crash and cause deaths.

So do you think drink driving law should be removed?
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Drink driving is not a recordable crime in the same way that I mentioned above. It is illegal but not a crime.

For things such as Section 5 POA, the crime report is filed and the victim is Regina , ie the Queen. Daft to some as she may be 350 miles away but it is still a victim of crime because that is what the law, righly or wrongly, says.
 
AcidHell2 said:
no crime always have victims. It's just some laws are proactive to stop the crime.
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I must be missing somethere here because you still haven't pointed out to me who the victim is in my hypothetical situation previously posted.
 
Im not for, or against the torcure of criminals. Altho i would prefer they are tried and convicted first, if they gonna do it.
 
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Energize said:
By stopping someone taking cannabis harming no one but themselves they are being nannies.
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if it's behind closed doors I agree. If it's in public. Then they are harming other people through passive smoke. Many jobs prohibit and test for these substances due to affects it has on concentration etc.
 
Numerous pages to this thread.... and almost no-one has mentioned the Police possibly torturing suspects?

Anyone be bothered to bring this back on track? Dont like the idea of where this country is headed these days to be honest....
 
matt_fsr said:
Numerous pages to this thread.... and almost no-one has mentioned the Police possibly torturing suspects?

Anyone be bothered to bring this back on track? Dont like the idea of where this country is headed these days to be honest....
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I don't think anyone does, it's why I plan to leave, freedoms are being curbed all over the place, the eu convention on human rights seems to be violated with every new law.
 
Malakite said:
Well the isn't that an argument for legalisation, it it was government supplied wouldnt all these organised gangs have a huge decrease in revenue? Being unable to supply drugs at the current prices and level would limit their income and the effectivness of the gang would it not?
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There would always be a back market for such things. Not only that but just think of the moral implications of what you are saying. Say you have a kid of 18 and heroin is legal, would you be happy about said kid going to a chemist, buying heroin over the counter jagging up, turning into an addict and completely screwing their life up? C’mon a bit of common sense. It CANT happen, there are far to many vulnerable people.

As for the comment about legalising the drugs and making the cheap…..you really think that’s going to be the case? It’s going to be damn expensive and would be heavily taxed. Ridiculous.

In no way whatsoever would I ever advocate the legalisation of highly addictive substances. It’s basically rolling over and saying ‘ok **** it do what you want, the addiction rates and further strain on our already strained health system would no doubt finish it off. I deal with a lot of addicts through my work and the subsequent crime and misery they cause and never in a million years would I advocate the legalisation of such substances. The addicts are still addicts at the end of the day and legalising the drugs isn’t going to stop them committing crime to fund their habit, there will just be more of them.

Some of the softer drugs I don’t have such an issue with, a tolerance policy or possible decriminalisation of certain drugs like MDMA and cannabis I could live with as it’s at the complete other end of the scale when compared to substances like crack or heroin.
 
Energize said:
Complete rubbish i've been posting in this thread.
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I've read all your replies and its complete rubbish.

Legalise drugs to lower crime rates, sure that would work. We'd have less burglaries, personal thefts like pick pockets etc but other crimes would go up, anti social behaviour, intimidation and so on. Your kids would be walking the streets and seeing a junkie shoot up outside tesco and he'd say "dad what is that guy doing?" "Oh nothing soon hes just getting his daily fix" That is not something i ever want to say, see or hear of.

So it would bring in more revenue to the tax man, great we could fund more nurses and hospitals, but where would we put them? People already complain if energy companies suggest putting 5-10 wind turbines at the top of the hill, are they really going to allow a big hospital complex to house the od'ing drug takers? People Od'ing on drugs would increase waiting times for someone who deserves treatment over them.

Sadly we still live in a time where smokers and excessive drinkers are ahead in the treatment queue over people with cancer, birth problems and other horrible illnessess. In my opinion smokers and excessive drinkers take there own risk, if your a smoker, no treatment.

So stopping people from taking drugs is a nannie state issue, well sure the government shouldnt be allowed to intervene with what you do, you have free will right? Well wrong, because i dont want to see you smoking cannibis, i dont want children to see you doing it, i dont want the mental side effects of that drug clogging up my hospitals and causing behaviour which isnt needed.

True horseriding is more dangerous then taking MDMA, but how many people have been hurt or killed as a result of being around someone riding a horse? I bet the statistics (if you can even prove your point) would show drug users do more harm then a horse rider.

Your looking at this from a purely selfish perspective, who is drug takers harming other then them selfs? You really need to think because it effects far far more then you actually realise.
 
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Teki187 said:
True horseriding is more dangerous then taking MDMA, but how many people have been hurt or killed as a result of being around someone riding a horse? I bet the statistics (if you can even prove your point) would show drug users do more harm then a horse rider.
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Whats the MDMA user going to do, love them to death?
 
Teki187 said:
Your looking at this from a purely selfish perspective, who is drug takers harming other then them selfs? You really need to think because it effects far far more then you actually realise.
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Strange that I never harmed anyone when I was taking benzodiazepines and amphetamines for anxiety, in fact no one even noticed I was taking them.

Your kids would be walking the streets and seeing a junkie shoot up outside tesco and he'd say "dad what is that guy doing?" "Oh nothing soon hes just getting his daily fix" That is not something i ever want to say, see or hear of.
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I didn't say it should be allowed in public.

So it would bring in more revenue to the tax man, great we could fund more nurses and hospitals, but where would we put them? People already complain if energy companies suggest putting 5-10 wind turbines at the top of the hill, are they really going to allow a big hospital complex to house the od'ing drug takers? People Od'ing on drugs would increase waiting times for someone who deserves treatment over them.
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Less people would be overdosing because the dosage would be controlled rather than adultered crap on the street.
 
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