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.Islamic protest march planned for Wootton Basset
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PMSL which keyboard you going to take?? Logitech or Microsoft??..i recommend M$ they tend to be more robust and last the distance
.PMSL which keyboard you going to take?? Logitech or Microsoft??..i recommend M$ they tend to be more robust and last the distance
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Who sent them there ?
I am teaching you how to such eggs here but British troops do not invade countries off their own backs.
They were sent by the elected government of this country and the decision to invade and use military assets to enforce UK foreign policy rests solely with the government.
Quite possibly but then again would I engage in a protest deliberately designed to enflame the situation and would I do this in a particular area where dead troops pass through to be repartiated ? No.
While I disagree with you in poor taste, the foreign policy of the UK leaves a lot to be desired.
I don't disagree with their right to protest and indeed welcome anyon'e right to do it. I just feel that Wooton Basset is a very inappropriate place to do it.
Which is why I am at a loss as to why protest organisers think this demonstration will have any effect to getting British troops pulled out of Afghanistan ?
If anything, it may encourage support by sheer bloody minded people who will side with patriotism and respect for British dead ? Such a thing is not beyond the realms of possibility.
Killing and murdering are two seperate entities.
I wouldn't waste your breath on him, he is a troll who like to stir up emotions with Daily Fail statements and clearly has an agenda against the military. See how he hasn't posted anything else in this thread? Its typical.
Anyway, back on topic, I can wholeheartedly agree with all of your points Von, but do you not wonder that extremists exist to voice the opinions of the moderates who are too afraid of voicing said opinions (and that goes for all groups)
Its a nightmare for the people in the middle (the police) because you will undoubtedly have trouble from the BNP or other groups and this Islam4UK group and have to sit between them while acting fairly and not being seen to be taking sides when you might be feeling bilious at the vile scum bags.
That website is worth reading because this is what people will use as their reason to incite violence against Muslims whether moderate or not.
Personally the protest is designed to cause tension and unrest, why not have it in Bradford or Nottingham?
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Because they want to take the #### out of the British dead.
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Time to re-do the crusades, I think.
I personally think its an extremely poor choice of setting and timing by the protesters. Wootton Basset is seen by most brits as the central mourning site for soldiers lost in battles in afganistan. To do a protest down the same streets as the funeral parades of our troops is disgustingly disrespectful to the familys of the fallen soldiers and a serious slap in the face to everyone else who actually give a toss about it.
Surely that is exactly why it would make it an excellent way to protest if your primary interest was publicity for your cause?
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There interest should not happen this is the UK it's about time the Mr Brown had balls to to pull us out of the human rights act ect we were ok before that act. Mr Anjem Choudary should be told to shut the #### up or get the #### out.
Now you're adding the claim that 'Muslim' is a race, on top of your baseless accusations in lieu of counter-argument. Unless you believe that Islam should be restricted to those of the "right" race, you're just talking rubbish. Do you add the idea of racial purity to your Islam? Or are you just pretending to do so in order to make another baseless accusation?
You're a fool as well as an unpleasant and dishonest person.
I very much doubt if your friends who are Muslims are prepared to openly state that the Quran is wrong. It's not a complicated section and doesn't have much scope for interpretation. You're also forgetting that I didn't ask one person only and you can't really be strange enough to believe that a person who would see me tortured to death is my friend. Although she believed that torturing people to death is good for them and there are (and have been in the past) other people with the same religious view. So maybe some people might see it as being friendly.
Are we? I hadn't noticed. Personally, I'd be surprised if it went that far in my lifetime.
Your other arguments are all very well, but if they were wholly true then the number of Muslims in the world would have increased very little over time. Which is obviously not true. Conversion is allowed, in fact it's welcomed. Also, active support from the majority is not required to rule a country.
It does, just not enough to make a difference. Which is to be expected - it's not like they have much contact. It also wouldn't have much effect - it's not like the aforementioned madmen are going to say "You're right, I've got it all completely wrong and I'll completely reverse my position" in response.
I continue to refuse to defend your statements. I will continue to do so in the future, so you are wasting your time. Your statements are not my statements. I am under no obligation to defend your statements.
For example, you believe that Muslims are all of the same race, whereas I reject the entire concept of race as applied to humanity - the superficial differences are too trivial to warrant seperate classifications. So why would I be obliged to defend your statements about race?
It could happen. A minority of very determined people have taken control of countries before. The most infamous example would be Germany in the 20s and 30s - most Germans were not Nazis at all, but that didn't stop the Nazis gaining absolute power.
I think it would vary from person to person, most ending up in between the two extremes you refer to. As a general rule, most people tend to try to live quietly in whatever circumstances occur. Which is part of the reason why a determined minority can rule, especially if they use violence and fear to suppress opposition.
Doesn't mean they do, either. Again, I think it varies from person to person.
I am neither a fool, unpleasant or dishonest. I am not hiding my blatant hatred and bigotry behind semantics and ignorance. One of my friends (a devout muslim) who is sat here with me now, states that how you interpret the Quran is wrong in the first instance. You made statements which can be construed as being bigoted, that you do not see them as such is sad. I pity you I really do.There is no need to give a counter argument to what you are stating as I disagree with the view that Islam is violent and that the majority of Muslims believe that torturing people is good for them as you state again. That is a bigoted view. Other statements you have made since are not so islamophobic which leads me to believe you have absolutely no idea what your own mind is, or you are not educated enough to separate one from the other.
Because you deem it neccessary to insult rather than explain I cannot be bothered with you anymore.
All muslims as a group then, semantics.
As a group you have stated that they all beleive as your friend does. That you rely on such things to defend yourself is truely sad.
Now you add hypocrisy to the list, because you've been insulting me since your first reply.
The statements that you made and claimed were mine were bigoted. But they are your statements, not mine.
You are dishonest because you are making statements and claiming I made them. Obviously dishonest. You've just done it again:
You are a liar.
Can I make it any clearer than that? You are a liar. You have, again and again, made up statement yourself and then claimed I had made those statements. I have not said that the majority of Muslims believe that torturing people is good for them once, let alone more than once ("again").
Yes, it is. And it's your statement, not mine.
'fool' and 'unpleasant' are more subjective judgements.
I think 'unpleasant' is easily supported - you've made things up in order to make serious baseless accusations against me. That's definitely unpleasant.
'Fool' is harder to support, although I think your assertion that all Muslims are the same race is very foolish.
So, in summary, you are making untrue statements in order to defame me and you're doing it in a forum where every word is recorded. I think that covers dishonesty (the lying), unpleasantness (the defamation) and foolishness (doing it where the truth is recorded, so it's much easier to show what you're doing).
The statements that you made and claimed were mine were bigoted. But they are your statements, not mine.
You are dishonest because you are making statements and claiming I made them. Obviously dishonest. You've just done it again:
You are a liar.
Can I make it any clearer than that? You are a liar. You have, again and again, made up statement yourself and then claimed I had made those statements. I have not said that the majority of Muslims believe that torturing people is good for them once, let alone more than once ("again").
Yes, it is. And it's your statement, not mine.
'fool' and 'unpleasant' are more subjective judgements.
I think 'unpleasant' is easily supported - you've made things up in order to make serious baseless accusations against me. That's definitely unpleasant.
'Fool' is harder to support, although I think your assertion that all Muslims are the same race is very foolish.
So, in summary, you are making untrue statements in order to defame me and you're doing it in a forum where every word is recorded. I think that covers dishonesty (the lying), unpleasantness (the defamation) and foolishness (doing it where the truth is recorded, so it's much easier to show what you're doing).