Drug decriminalisation, your views.

Yes please do this. I don't believe in legalising yet as there are a lot of pros and cons to it. But deciminalisation is very important.

a lot of drugs are proven SAFER or LESS TOXIC than alcohol. So WHY should people be forced to drink or smoke because it's pushed out by our gov?

Look at these two scenes:

SCENE #1 You are out one night and your friend takes Ecstasy (random street pill, not MDMA :P) and 2hr later, he's paranoid like crazy and panicing like hell, he is sweating like mad and fanning himself and drinking tonnes of water, he's freaking out like people who smoke too much weed for thier first time. :P you think you should take him to hospital ... but the police will get involved, you're worried that you might be in a lot of trouble, for NOTHING. It's been 3-4hr now, you leave him for a moment, he's lying on the floor, no pulse - he's died.

Now, in scene two, drug use is deciminalised. Your friends doing Heroin, one of them starts puking like crazy and can barely breath - he was given too much, you're not sure if he will pull through or not but to be safe you call 999. He lives.

The point of these is to show - when things in drugs go wrong, the legal side of things stop people going to hospital, etc

What about MDMA test places around clubs - they do this in NL I believe?

What about the medical use of LSD, MDMA, Cannabis, GHB?? Some people would benifit from these chemicals, I don't believe they get used like in the old days.

This falls into the "legalisation" sector. Let's look at new designer drugs like Mephedrone. It's banned - but something new replaces it and it's a lot newer and not 3-4 years old - Mephedrone isn't researched by any means but consider the amount people are doing, consider how many people have tried it - there aren't all that many deaths, the next compound, could kill. Mephedrone was made illegal because it's linked to 26 deaths but the reality is half the time they are on aload of other drugs too, so why is that still valid? I'm sure there are legit deaths from the drug alone but there are other ways of going about it rather than a ban.

Look at Alcohol. If we make that illegal - the black market grows, people distill (methanol content, a problem?), alcohol of unknown purity is sold - people chug it still and money is made illegally - remember US in 1920 - that's what happened.

EDIT: IMO Alcohol and Cocaine are the two worst drugs in society. Most people who do Cocaine, drink a lot too - both drugs make people violent or should I say violent people, violent. Alcohol kills a lot of people on it's OWN. Last time I looked at Mephedrone someone 2 people took Methadone and Alcohol with it, strange how out of the whole UK, that night - they both died - I BLAME THE MEPHS.
 
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Yes please do this. I don't believe in legalising yet as there are a lot of pros and cons to it. But deciminalisation is very important.

a lot of drugs are proven SAFER or LESS TOXIC than alcohol. So WHY should people be forced to drink or smoke because it's pushed out by our gov?

Look at these two scenes:

SCENE #1 You are out one night and your friend takes Ecstasy (random street pill, not MDMA :P) and 2hr later, he's paranoid like crazy and panicing like hell, he is sweating like mad and fanning himself and drinking tonnes of water, he's freaking out like people who smoke too much weed for thier first time. :P you think you should take him to hospital ... but the police will get involved, you're worried that you might be in a lot of trouble, for NOTHING. It's been 3-4hr now, you leave him for a moment, he's lying on the floor, no pulse - he's died.

Now, in scene two, drug use is deciminalised. Your friends doing Heroin, one of them starts puking like crazy and can barely breath - he was given too much, you're not sure if he will pull through or not but to be safe you call 999. He lives.

The point of these is to show - when things in drugs go wrong, the legal side of things stop people going to hospital, etc

What about MDMA test places around clubs - they do this in NL I believe?

What about the medical use of LSD, MDMA, Cannabis, GHB?? Some people would benifit from these chemicals, I don't believe they get used like in the old days.

This falls into the "legalisation" sector. Let's look at new designer drugs like Mephedrone. It's banned - but something new replaces it and it's a lot newer and not 3-4 years old - Mephedrone isn't researched by any means but consider the amount people are doing, consider how many people have tried it - there aren't all that many deaths, the next compound, could kill. Mephedrone was made illegal because it's linked to 26 deaths but the reality is half the time they are on aload of other drugs too, so why is that still valid? I'm sure there are legit deaths from the drug alone but there are other ways of going about it rather than a ban.

Look at Alcohol. If we make that illegal - the black market grows, people distill (methanol content, a problem?), alcohol of unknown purity is sold - people chug it still and money is made illegally - remember US in 1920 - that's what happened.
Shows that the 'war on drugs' isn't based on evidence but rather stereotypes, stigma and ignorance and popular opinion, its a total waste of resources and causes more problems that it solves. But nothing will change until public opinion changes and I don't see that happening. Its not only the users of ilegal substances that suffer, patients requireing pain relief suffer because of doctors fears, also, patients sometimes don't take the pain killers because of the stigma a fear of becoming a drug addict.
 
He was sacked, I wouldn't call that a slap on the wrists.

Didn't he say something about ecstacy being less dangerous statistically than horse riding? I believe he was sacked because of the public backlash mainly from families of people who have died as a result of using ecstacy.
 
Indeed. That's the problem. Money was spent - conducted research was done BY SCIENTISTS but they are like we are sacking you, bye. The gov wanted to change cannabis to class b - they ask the ACMD for evidence that it's harmful but there is none? So they do it themselves. I believe £2m was spent on this (remember, campaining) but did it really do anything? Tonnes of people still smoke it, hasn't changed anything just made criminals MORE criminal - spreaded missinformation, wasted money.
 
I support the decriminalisation of "drugs". I say "drugs" in quotes, because the term tends to be used only for substances or compounds (that cause chemical changes in our bodies) that have already been banned.

"Drug" is an interesting label as it has such negative connotations. Caffeine is psychoactive stimulant drug that is believed to be addictive, and has withdrawal symptoms including sickness and headaches. It's really not a lot different from "drugs". LSD, for example, has stronger immediate effects, but creates no lasting addiction and is harmless for most people.

Aside from that, I am not at all surprised that decriminalisation in Portugal has improved the situation. There was never any strong evidence that criminalisation was an effective way to regulate use. Driving drug use underground just increases the likelihood of serious harm being the consequences of use. People who want to use drugs, will. People who don't want to use drugs, won't. In all honesty, I'd much prefer that dudes were chilling out, sitting at home smoking some weed than stumbling around my local town centre tanked up on cheap booze.
 
What about the medical use of LSD, MDMA, Cannabis, GHB?? Some people would benifit from these chemicals, I don't believe they get used like in the old days.

GHB is prescribed for narcolepsy and insomnia, the price is ridiculous though because of patent office corruption, about 100x the cost to make it in your kitchen at home. :rolleyes:
 
Cannabis can help with pain and also nausea related to chemotherapy, also relieves symptoms caused by multiple sclerosis.People with parkinsons have found MDMA helps relieve some of the symptoms, which makes some scientific sense as MDMA acts on dopaminergic system.
 
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That would be good. It is intersting that before criminalisation opiates and cocaine were freely available in a viriaty of places including mail order. in the 19th centuary drug addiction wasn't a problem for society at all. Users were able to buy there drugs and hold down jobs. There wasn't a stigma attached unlike alcohol users which were stigmatised, I remember reading that in the 19th century typical opium/morphine users were women, where as today younger men are the most likely users.

Because in the 19th centuary the drugs you suggest were much more likely to be consumed by the middle and uppr classes, holding down a job means making sure there was enough kids in your factory . Drinking was the major problem among the working class and still is really.

the 1920s is more interesting especially the ammount of cociane use among the it crowd then
 
He was sacked, I wouldn't call that a slap on the wrists.

He was'nt sacked for saying that, Jacqui Smith told him to make an apology to the families when he said that ...

"1 out of every 350 horse riding accidents were classed as serious, compared with 1 out of every 10,000 ecstasy users experiencing a serious side affect"

He was sacked for continually going against what the Home Office were saying, as he was arguing that certain drugs were in the wrong classes and that there should be a research lead classification of drugs rather than what is on offer now so in the end Alan Johnson had enough and told him to pack his bags :)
 
Cannabis can help with pain and also nausea related to chemotherapy, also relieves symptoms caused by multiple sclerosis.People with parkinsons have found MDMA helps relieve some of the symptoms, which makes some scientific sense as MDMA acts on dopaminergic system.

Have you seen the British Army video were they tested MDMA on soldiers to see if it improved their alertness, I think they all ended up just rolling on the floor laughing lol ...
 
Have you seen the British Army video were they tested MDMA on soldiers to see if it improved their alertness, I think they all ended up just rolling on the floor laughing lol ...

No i haven't have you got a link? I know they used vast quantities of amphetamines during world war 2 for aircrews and is still used today.
 
Have you seen the British Army video were they tested MDMA on soldiers to see if it improved their alertness, I think they all ended up just rolling on the floor laughing lol ...

Have you seen the WW1/2 video where they're testing LSD on the troops.

Announcer said:
...and with 5 of his soldiers "climbing the trees to feed the birds" the Commander finally stated that he had no control over his squad or himself and then burst into a fit of Laughter
 
LSD can be used to relieve symptoms in chronic migraine sufferers. Or so i've heard, it's not an approved treatment but small doses could relieve pain for months.

They only stop using it due to bad publicity.
 
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