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Nvidia GTX470 Vs ATI 6870 (both @ £180)

RavenXXX2 said:
At idle there is not much in it power usage wise, how many hours does one game a day? power usage is not relevant unless you game 24/7.

@ thereal, the 470 is the better card, accept it, it's faster at stock, has a better cooler, and has more memory, the 470 is a no-brainer.
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It is not faster at stock, techpower use more games to bench than any site i have seen and the 6870 is faster atleast at my resolution and higher.
 
lol poor excuse, he benches f1 in DX11 and that brings nothing more to the table than Dirt2 does IQ wise, I know of not one site that benches Dirt2 in Dx9 with DX11 cards, it's not even an option in game to select DX9, you have to edit a config file, that one test gives the 6870 the edge in the overall performance chart at 1920x1200. In fact the 470 is faster in 10 out of the 16 games tested at stated res, would be 11 if Dirt2 was ran at its correct render path.

dave_beast said:
The 470 is obsolete :o
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And that matters because......? people have been buying the 5870 over the 6870, you know why? yeah that's right EOL means nothing when the card in question is quicker. Your logic fails.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
lol poor excuse, he benches f1 in DX11 and that brings nothing more to the table than Dirt2 does IQ wise, I know of not one site that benches Dirt2 in Dx9 with DX11 cards, it's not even an option in game to select DX9, you have to edit a config file, that one test gives the 6870 the edge in the overall performance chart at 1920x1200. In fact the 470 is faster in 10 out of the 16 games tested, would be 11 if Dirt2 was ran at its correct render path.




And that matters because......? people have been buying the 5870 over the 6870, you know why? yeah that's right EOL means nothing when the card in question is quicker. Your logic fails.
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Raven who cares the 6870 is comparable easily with a gtx470. If you are not overclocking as i have said above the 6870 holds pretty much all the advantages. Now lets agree. You really should read my first post that states if you are overclocking get the gtx470.
 
10 out of the 16 games tested it wins, it's faster at stock, there is nothing to discuss, it's faster. At stock I would still go 470 for the great and quiet cooler, the extra ram and the fact it's faster in the majority of games, great build quality as well.
 
Do you have a gtx470? Whats that i hear ohh no. Lets see does real have a 6870, ahh thats right he does. Very nice card that does it job nice and is quiet. The op says heat was a problem, i can tell you now my 6870 with stock cooler in game does no more than 59 degrees when i am gaming, can you say the same for the gtx470, i guess not because you don't have one.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Do you have a gtx470? Whats that i hear ohh no. Lets see does real have a 6870, ahh thats right he does. Very nice card that does it job nice and is quiet. The op says heat was a problem, i can tell you now my 6870 with stock cooler in game does no more than 59 degrees when i am gaming, can you say the same for the gtx470, i guess not because you don't have one.
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OP could go with the 470 if they want an in computer fan heater for those chilly nights :D
 
RavenXXX2 said:
No need, 470 clocked will do 570/480 speeds, seeing as they are comparable to a 6970 in performance you're better saving the cash.
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Don't the 6950>70's clock too? 980 on the core, no voltage bump for me! Put the iq up and it will run away from the 470 too. Besides op stated he doesn't want to cook the card whatever he picks so oc may not be an issue.
 
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tommybhoy said:
Don't the 6950>70's clock too? 980 on the core, no voltage bump for me! Put the iq up and it will run away from the 470 too. Besides op stated he doesn't want to cook the card whatever he picks so oc may not be an issue.
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Lol another person that can read. I thought i had the game part covered by saying the gtx470 if you want to overclock but other wise the 6870 has it covered better.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
470 it is then, faster at stock, great quiet cooler, more vram and he prefers Nvidia /thread.
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Raven are you on a wind up it may run cool but all the heat is dumped in the case and when considering the card is fermi mark 1 thats a damn site more heat than a 6870 which runs at 150 watts v 220 or more. Just because the gpu may be cool does not mean the heat thats dumped does not cause trouble else where. In my old case i dropped my temps on cpu 10 degrees by changing card from a 5770 to 6870. The 5770 never exhausted i can't imagine what would have happened with a gtx470 in that case. Thermaltake kandalf. Cost me £150 5 years ago so was not exactly a cheep rubbish cooling case in its day.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
Take your own advice and check DMs posts out on the coolers the 470 has, he states case temps are not a concern when you have some airflow through the case, I tend to agree.
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I disagree with dm's statement in a manner of speaking having a card that dumps heat into the case would be fine for me now with the haf x 932 but with my thermaltake kandalf it was causing problems. Raven the op states heat as a problem. To me this says a gtx470 is not a good candidate. Like i say the gpu may be cool but the heat probably moves on elsewhere. You even say yourself that your gtx480 runs at decent temps and thats probably because of your case. If a 4870 runs hot in a case then i think the op needs something cooler and thats not a gtx470.
 
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lol a 4870 does run hot, especially with the stock blower type cooler. If he's happy with a 280s temps hes not going to have any issues with the MSI.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
lol a 4870 does run hot, especially with the stock blower type cooler. If he's happy with a 280s temps hes not going to have any issues with the MSI.
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I have a stock 6870 blower cooler. I am telling you in my case i see no higher temps than 59 when gaming and it also exhausts this heat. Fan speed never goes above 30%. In my old case we would be talking 80s for temps and fan speed 40% or above. If a 4870 runs hot then a gtx470 that dumps heat is gonna cause problems in my estimation. The exhausting 6870 is a better suggestion imo. Saying that i would like to know what case he has to make up my mind.
 
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