1m for sale...

spaz · 27 May 2011 at 18:13

[TW]Fox;19237555 said:
Using your logic why buy a Mercedes S Class, just get an A Class and stop having a chubby on about the plastics.

But you are right, an M3 has no redeeming features bar the quality of its interior.

Yeah because they're cars from next door segments aren't they?

I wasn't on about the M3, I was on about in general, people who have to clamour on about the 'perceived quality' of something because the car they have or want doesn't have anything else going for it, in the real world people don't always care about that, especially when it's something that costs many thousands of pounds less and has a totally different target audience and just has something going for it that you can't put your finger on.

Gribs · 27 May 2011 at 18:15

f00f1ght0r said:
What on Earth would make you say that the 1-series quality is poor?

Have you ever been in one? The interior is noticably worse than the 3 series.

nucastle · 27 May 2011 at 18:22

The number of internet warriors comparing their new 'peoples champion', the 1M to the M3 is utterly laughable at the moment.

Most people havent even SAT in an M3, let alone touched the gearstick. And the number of people who actually OWN one (E9x or E46) is even lower than that. And yet people busy themselves making comparrisons based on a torque power curve graph, or some statistics from a website. There were people on pistonheads coming out with the following gem like comments :

"With the 1M your money buys a bulging torque curve that swells between 1500 and 4500. On the road, that portion of the rev-range is where you will spend the vast majority of your time, so your money's worth is just there, ready and waiting to be called upon whenever you want it.

If you're a gear too low in a corner in the M3 you're left a little frustrated.In the 1M you've seriously misjudged things if you're in a gear that's too low, because you could probably pick any one of three ratios per corner and still find yourself with bundles of torque."

..... I suppose they are right eh - That high revving V8 with 420 horsepower is almost like a mini metro if you are in the wrong power band eh. Happens all the time i suppose .... zzzzzzzzzz

The 1M will always be a small car on steroids. And even if it was quicker, went around corners better, and made the tyres squeal better than the M3 it's only ever going to be a small car with 'hooligan' looks.

Nobody who buys an M3 (99.9% of them) are going to chop in their cars to get an M1.

Totally different cars for totally different markets. I'd love to hear the opinions of ACTUAL E9x owners who have driven the M1, instead of people who drove them on Gran Turismo and are suddenly experts on them.

PikeyPriest · 27 May 2011 at 19:38

nucastle said:
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Exactly. 1M is meant to sit below the M3 in the market. I was looking at the M3 earlier in the year but at 28/29 cheapest AUC at the time (higher mileage examples) I couldnt justify or afford it. If the 1M had been released and was low to mid 20s it would have been a definite contender to the cayman S, 350 and 370Z. Though it will be seen if the extra space of the 1M will stop it from being or feeling `sporty`

nucastle · 27 May 2011 at 19:55

Completely different markets though. The M1 sounds utterly fantastic, but it is in no way comparable to the M3 other than the fact it's made by BMW and has 4 wheels.

I'd like to bet the people who buy M3's arent the kind of people who buy M1's - Obviously there will be exceptions to the rule, but it's no different to the current kind of people who buy standard 3 series, versus those who buy 1 series.

[TW]Fox · 27 May 2011 at 21:46

spaz said:
I was on about in general, people who have to clamour on about the 'perceived quality' of something because the car they have or want doesn't have anything else going for it

I place perceived quality hugely highly on my priority list when buying a car.

I dont think I could be accused of choosing cars which 'dont have anything else going for it'.

Lots of people like products that feel really nice made.

Lashout_UK · 27 May 2011 at 21:52

nucastle said:
Completely different markets though. The M1 sounds utterly fantastic, but it is in no way comparable to the M3 other than the fact it's made by BMW and has 4 wheels.

It sounds OK but I wouldn't say it's fantastic by any stretch. The turbos take some of the edge off its exhaust note and it's a bit too restrained and refined for my liking. It lacks presence and theatre somewhat.

[TW]Fox · 27 May 2011 at 21:56

I've not driven a 1M but given the engine itself has just 34bhp more than a 135i or a 335i then I'd imagine the engine is not exactly going to feel a world different.

This being the case, the power delivery on a 1M will be quite different to that on a conventional normally aspirated M power car. The strength of this engine is the huge amount of mid-range power - between 1500rpm and 4000rpm, any gear, foot down, its off. This is good.

However, despite being good, its also different. It robs some of the driver involvement in the process - gear selection becomes less important, there is less to be gained from working the engine hard. In this respect, the higher revving normally aspirated engine is more enjoyable to drive - in the way that I found a 330i, with 30bhp less power than a 335i, ultimately more fun to drive than a 335i, I'd suspect that engine wise it's not an M3 V8.

This is just one of the key reasons why this isn't an M3 and shoudn't be compared to an M3.

panthro · 27 May 2011 at 22:44

The article in this months EVO really perplexed me because they of all people should know it is not a car to compare to the M3 but they went ahead and did it anyway. Interesting article but for once I disagree with them and not because I own an M3 but because they are not in the same class as each other and should be treated as such.

MagicBoy · 27 May 2011 at 22:53

Blatant profiteering. Seller is just making excuses for the markup. Doubt the options came to £10k...

Philz0r · 28 May 2011 at 08:10

£60k to buy in the uk, thats a lot of doah. Does look nice tho

flibbage0 · 28 May 2011 at 09:25

I don't know who would spend £60k on a 1 series.

With that you could buy 2 used M3's, 2! :eek:

Vita · 28 May 2011 at 11:14

I await these becoming regular hire cars in Bradford.

[TW]Fox · 28 May 2011 at 11:14

flibbage0 said:
I don't know who would spend £60k on a 1 series.

With that you could buy 2 used M3's, 2!

With £20k less you could order a new 1M from the dealer, so not sure how thats relevant really

The Running Man · 28 May 2011 at 11:18

Evo were going on about how this is better than the M3...They seem to have a new found thing for torque, anything with torque is now better than a nice high revving engine like the V8? from the M3 they were talking about.

Forget driver skill, being in the right gear. Twin Turbos rule!

Philz0r · 28 May 2011 at 11:22

2JZ for the win.

[TW]Fox · 28 May 2011 at 11:24

The Running Man said:
Evo were going on about how this is better than the M3...They seem to have a new found thing for torque, anything with torque is now better than a nice high revving engine like the V8? from the M3 they were talking about.

Forget driver skill, being in the right gear. Twin Turbos rule!

Yet they had a different opinion of the same engine in the 335i! About how all that torque meant it lacked involvement.

Fr0dders · 28 May 2011 at 12:29

[TW]Fox;19241822 said:
Yet they had a different opinion of the same engine in the 335i! About how all that torque meant it lacked involvement.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were different reviewers.

Some of the evo writers are proper car nuts, they live and breathe cars, and have a serious amount of driving talent.

Others... well they are just like any other motoring journalist. Its just a job for them.They are very knowledgeable and have driven plenty of cars and stuff ... but .. you know what i mean.