Equality at work - pay

[TW]Fox · 8 Jul 2011 at 12:42

RaohNS said:
That tool was on £3k more than me a year! My manager rather than discuss just didn't want to up it despite the company making more than £20k a week!

No wonder he didnt want to up it if it was a medium sized organisation with turnover as low as that!! Are they even still going?

Vonhelmet · 8 Jul 2011 at 12:44

RaohNS said:
£20k a week!

Turnover or profit? Gross profit or net profit? Net profit or profit after tax?

LeJosh · 8 Jul 2011 at 12:44

[TW]Fox;19540548 said:
No wonder he didnt want to up it if it was a medium sized organisation with turnover as low as that!! Are they even still going?

Also this.

Scrutinize · 8 Jul 2011 at 12:48

markk said:
I'm in a situation where myself and a collegue are doing the same job, with the same job title and the same role profile at work however he gets paid quite a bit more than me PA.
I know it's illegal for a man and women to do the same job on different pay but is it illegal for two men to get paid different?
Wasn't there a change in the law last year to prevent this, or do I remember wrong?

Can anyone provice any links if so?

ta

Is this public or private sector. If public sector then assuming it isn't due to time in service annual inflation and incremental rises then you would have an equal pay claim.

If it is the private sector then unless there is an equality issue on gender etc you need to negotiate better and you have no recourse. Well you may have some recourse but if you take the wrong route you will just end up out of a job.

Vonhelmet · 8 Jul 2011 at 12:50

The pay scale for my job grade covers about £4k from bottom to top, so some people with "the same job title and role profile" will be paid more than me as I'm new in grade.

This is not pay discrimination.

G18241 · 8 Jul 2011 at 12:52

markk said:
I'm in a situation where myself and a collegue are doing the same job, with the same job title and the same role profile at work however he gets paid quite a bit more than me PA.
I know it's illegal for a man and women to do the same job on different pay but is it illegal for two men to get paid different?
Wasn't there a change in the law last year to prevent this, or do I remember wrong?

Can anyone provice any links if so?

ta

I have the exact same problem, but there are 2 people on much more than me, and i have been told i do a better job than both of them, thing is they have moved into this department from higher paying departments and have kept their older pay, so i cant be brought upto what they are on due to this, which sucks because they are both bloody useless

Deleted member 66701 · 8 Jul 2011 at 12:57

arknor said:
other guy will no doubt get a bollocking as hes more than likely not alowed to discuss his wage

That's illegal - check the dti website. Employees have the right to discuss thier pay with whoever they chose.

How else do you think the equal pay act can possibly work?

OP's original quest - the equal pay act only really applies in sex discrimination cases - to bring an equal pay claim you have to identify a comparator from the opposite sex.

Have a read.

LiE · 8 Jul 2011 at 12:58

There are many reasons why he may be on more than you. I was on more than a lot of my colleagues because I was offered more pay by another company so my current employer upped my wage to keep me. Just one scenario there.

scorza · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:02

LeJosh said:
Isn't wages relative to the amount of experience you have?

LOL no, it's relative to how well you can convince the people who control the payroll how valuable you are.

Rids · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:06

I would have thought this was common place, most companys have a 'salary banding' for jobs, where they will pay anything between £x and £y, depending on the candidates experience, qualifications and salary expectations.

LeJosh · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:08

scorza said:
LOL no, it's relative to how well you can convince the people who control the payroll how valuable you are.

So experience will not add to wages under negotiations? Granted I never said that at first.

boxman2000 · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:10

You could be dropping both of you in it by discussing your salary so I would be careful how you proceed.

I know my work would take a very dim view with staff discussing specific contract information.

Deleted member 66701 · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:14

boxman2000 said:
You could be dropping both of you in it by discussing your salary so I would be careful how you proceed.

Why?

I know my work would take a very dim view with staff discussing specific contract information.

Do they? Might want to ask them to read up on the equality act.

“Pay secrecy” clauses in employment contracts will now be unenforceable – no one can be disciplined any more for discussing salary and details of their pay with colleagues at work.

There was an original requirement that stated you could not be punished for discussing your pay IF the discussion was to work out if you were being fairly paid in relation to any of the discrimination caluses of the act.

However, in practice subsequent ET rulings have extended this to "any pay discussions, regardless of their purpose" as the ET's considered the test for "in relation to discrimination" was a clause that cannot be adequately tested for.

markk · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:27

I have already spoken to my manager and he is looking into it. I thought there was a change in the law recently and I could not remember so thought I'd ask here.

Thanks for the sensible replies

Forgot it's hard to ask a serious question here

Mr^B · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:44

I know it's illegal for a man and women to do the same job on different pay

Nope, that's simply not true. As you are missing several pieces of information;

1. How much experience they have
2. How good they are

If you have someone in a role for 8 years and someone in the same role for 1 month, who should be paid more?

It's never as simple as you are making out, and if you have a problem with it then leave or speak to your line manager.

Calling pay discrimination laws into effect isn't going to really extend your career with that company.

markk · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:55

Mr^B said:
Nope, that's simply not true. As you are missing several pieces of information;

1. How much experience they have
2. How good they are

If you have someone in a role for 8 years and someone in the same role for 1 month, who should be paid more?

We have been here the same time

It's never as simple as you are making out, and if you have a problem with it then leave or speak to your line manager.

I have

Calling pay discrimination laws into effect isn't going to really extend your career with that company.

I'm not, I was just asking the question here

platypus · 8 Jul 2011 at 13:57

boxman2000 said:
You could be dropping both of you in it by discussing your salary so I would be careful how you proceed.

I know my work would take a very dim view with staff discussing specific contract information.

I see this a fair bit on here, and believe it or not I'm going to cite something amigafan has said as the truth.

Your work may take a dim view but they can't do anything about it.

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