i dont want to be drawn into any arguments or heated debates
but most countries involved in war, commit war crimes, even this country
What you think about Israel?
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i dont want to be drawn into any arguments or heated debates
but most countries involved in war, commit war crimes, even this country
F-16's, M16's and artillery.
I'm not goin to entertain those replies to my posts due to time constraints.
but heres more evidence to back up justified israeli dislike in both the arab and muslim world,and media bias towards israel (which applies to both the united states and the uk:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201182713537929189.html
but heres more evidence to back up justified israeli dislike in both the arab and muslim world,and media bias towards israel (which applies to both the united states and the uk:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201182713537929189.html
Not to mention you have zero real evidence to back up your views that isn't from highly biased sources...
You do realise that your "evidence" is an op ed piece lifted from another website don't you? Do you even check your sources?
It was written by MJ Rosenberg who is Jewish and was until very recently The director of policy at IPF, as well as holding various positions in the US Senate and USAID and more importantly an editor for AIPAC.
His opinion is worth listening to and is as informed and valid as anyone's can be. Dismissing the article simply on the basis that it was printed elsewhere first is disingenuous.
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It doesn't take long to apologise.
The least you can do is admit you were wrong about the Conservative Friends of Israel being the largest donor to the Conservative Party, and about David Cameron being a member of the Jewish Defense League.
You could also admit your blanket claim that the Conservative Friends of Israel is "the largest lobbyists of government" is highly dubious, and if you still believe it to be accurate, present some evidence to support it.
What's the point in even posting if you're just going to abandon your fallacious claims once you've made them?
My apologies. I should have stated "An op ed peice by someone previously accused of anti-isreali bias that was first posted on an anti-conservative blog site." if it makes you feel any better.
My apologies. I should have stated "An op ed peice by someone previously accused of anti-isreali bias that was first posted on an anti-conservative blog site." if it makes you feel any better.
Still not accurate however. Rosenberg is not anti Israeli, he is critical of the Netanyahu Administration and Zionism. The IPF which he was head of Policy up until 2009 is a Pro Israeli Group which promotes a two state approach to peace and what he has to say is indicative of the feeling of many Israelis as well as Non-Israeli Jews.
His opinion has validity and should not be dismissed so lightly, regardless of Zoomee's other conspiratorial rhetoric.
Here is something else he said that makes sense in regard to Palestinians calls for statehood and the on going, never ending peace negotiations....
He has a valid point and should not be dismissed as simply another anti Israeli nut job, because he simply isn't
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Have a re-read of my post and you will find that what I have posted is 100% accurate. It is an op ed peice. Rosenberg has been accused of anti-Israeli bias and the article in question was first posted on an anti-conservative blog.
However as this thread has proven once again there is zero point in challanging zoomee on anything as he runs off as soon as anyone points out his inaccuracies.
Besides what i have already said, i will say one thing...
Im glad that i am no where near the origin of the trio of monotheist religion, its quite obvious that someone will think some day that "If i cant have it...no one else can".
It goes along with the idea of deeply religious folk being mentally incapable of seeing other streams of thought, which leads to inevitable violence and eventually someone will give up in the most extreme way (less extreme would be to simply leave the area etc), Israel is fortunate that only rockets and suicide bombers are targeting them.
I can bet Jerusalem will no longer exist somewhere along the line, Iran was forced by the idea of MAD to make sure they had Nuclear arms, i can bet their own enemies will think the same.
Though i highly doubt they will "directly" attack each other, terrorism is a good cover for Plausible deniability and what not.
Don't take this the wrong way, i dislike people fighting over what "I" see as stupid reasons, (Religion in this case, though its more difficult to say considering land is being taken from the Palestinians, which would give an appropriate reason) but people will act like people and we all know this will escalate.
Im glad that i am no where near the origin of the trio of monotheist religion, its quite obvious that someone will think some day that "If i cant have it...no one else can".
It goes along with the idea of deeply religious folk being mentally incapable of seeing other streams of thought, which leads to inevitable violence and eventually someone will give up in the most extreme way (less extreme would be to simply leave the area etc), Israel is fortunate that only rockets and suicide bombers are targeting them.
I can bet Jerusalem will no longer exist somewhere along the line, Iran was forced by the idea of MAD to make sure they had Nuclear arms, i can bet their own enemies will think the same.
Though i highly doubt they will "directly" attack each other, terrorism is a good cover for Plausible deniability and what not.
Don't take this the wrong way, i dislike people fighting over what "I" see as stupid reasons, (Religion in this case, though its more difficult to say considering land is being taken from the Palestinians, which would give an appropriate reason) but people will act like people and we all know this will escalate.
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The Article was first posted on Rosenberg's blog, which is liberal, critical of some right wing policies but it is not specifically anti conservative. The accusations were unfounded and made by people who think all moderate liberal Jews are anti Israeli and that Israel should be a Zionist state and there should be no two state solution.
So no it's not very accurate at all, you would have pointed out the inaccuracies of the allegations and the liberal nature of Rosenberg's blog if that was the case.
You simply dismissed the article because zoomee posted it. The author of the article is someone who makes valid and salient points, I don't necessarily always agree with him, but he is not to be compared to or dismissed as the run of the mill anti Semite or anti Israeli.
I won't disagree with that.
The Al-J article links to the first place that article was posted, politicalcorrection.org which calls itself "Media Matters Action Network is a progressive research and information center dedicated to analyzing and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media"
Looks like an anti-conservative blog to me...
Still accusations...
Ah, so because I do not hold the same views of PoliticalCorrection.Org and do not dismiss the allegations as easily as you do (his support for Charles Freeman could be considered Anti-Isreal too) then I am inaccurate...
To be honest the article itself was also a bit ********, but there was little point in arguing that as zoomee was never going to reply much like he didn't reply to the false allegations of Murdoch being a jew, all the MSM being pro-Israeli and all ther other anti-israeli ******** he laps up.
The first place it was posted was his own blog. He also contributes to Media Matters, which is again, not an anti conservative blog, but a Liberal media watchdog which seek to address the predominantly right-wing Republican bias in the US media. It is not a negative thing, quite the opposite.
Unfounded ones which were withdrawn, so mentioning them is disingenuous at the very least. Character assassination seems to be a little pointless, if you disagree with the article say so.
Ah, so because I do not hold the same views of PoliticalCorrection.Org and do not dismiss the allegations as easily as you do (his support for Charles Freeman could be considered Anti-Isreal too) then I am inaccurate...
Support for Charles Freeman does not make him anti Israeli, Charles Freeman is not Anti Israeli, he is critical of the right wing bias in the Israeli Administration and feels that Israeli policies are self destructive in the long term.
Being critical of the Netanyahu and other right wing Administrations in Israel is not being Anti Israeli, quite the opposite in fact.
And no, not agreeing with the article doesn't mean you are inaccurate, misrepresenting the author and intimating that the source (the author) is unreliable and should be dismissed is.
Actually is isn't far wrong. I don't agree with his analysis totally, but there are commentators prominent in the US that do fit what he is saying.
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lol - Actually fellas I'm 300 miles away from home on my jollys with my family ,hence why I don't have time to entertain you replies asking for 100% confirmation as one thing I've learnt (especially about RDM) on this forums - its a never ending circle of 'replies!' of him trying to discount any point I make across.
With regards to my post from al-jazeera - so what if it was taken from another site? I couldn't care less if it was as long as the information is accurate - which it is - So you trying to discount it because its taken from a different source just shows how low your willing to go to try to discount information I give out.
Fair point about Conservative Friends of Israel not being THE largest donor to the conservative party - Its amongst ONE of them largest though, and along with the HUGE jewish lobby groups they have a HUGE impact on policy enforcement in the UK. My point still stands.
Here you might want to take a gander at this to see the influence these 'israeli support' groups have on UK politics:
http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=Conservative_Friends_of_Israel
(Funnily enough another thing not picked up by mainstream media......)
Mr Murdoch - OK so you've already clarified for me his mother is jewish and he himself is protestant - I mentioned both the influence from the christians in wanting Israel to succeed AND from a jewish stand point its pretty obvious http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=13821 - One thing I've learnt in life is those that are jewish VERY rarely admit it - I wouldn't expect him to admit it nor that his proven (As you mentioned he publsihes the largest amount of bibles) christian views will impact on the news his organisation provides. What is obvious is that newscorp stoops to all sorts of levels as recently proven
What I have given however is FACTS (with links) to sources that prove that the Zionist regime gets away with quite allot in the mainstream media - My original point still stands.
ROFLMAO.......... some people....
With regards to my post from al-jazeera - so what if it was taken from another site? I couldn't care less if it was as long as the information is accurate - which it is - So you trying to discount it because its taken from a different source just shows how low your willing to go to try to discount information I give out.
Fair point about Conservative Friends of Israel not being THE largest donor to the conservative party - Its amongst ONE of them largest though, and along with the HUGE jewish lobby groups they have a HUGE impact on policy enforcement in the UK. My point still stands.
Here you might want to take a gander at this to see the influence these 'israeli support' groups have on UK politics:
http://www.powerbase.info/index.php?title=Conservative_Friends_of_Israel
(Funnily enough another thing not picked up by mainstream media......)
Mr Murdoch - OK so you've already clarified for me his mother is jewish and he himself is protestant - I mentioned both the influence from the christians in wanting Israel to succeed AND from a jewish stand point its pretty obvious http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=13821 - One thing I've learnt in life is those that are jewish VERY rarely admit it - I wouldn't expect him to admit it nor that his proven (As you mentioned he publsihes the largest amount of bibles) christian views will impact on the news his organisation provides. What is obvious is that newscorp stoops to all sorts of levels as recently proven
What I have given however is FACTS (with links) to sources that prove that the Zionist regime gets away with quite allot in the mainstream media - My original point still stands.
ROFLMAO.......... some people....
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CFI are not even in the top 50 of donors and Murdoch's mother is not jewish. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he has any jewish family at all other than on far right and anti-semitic web sites. The sad thing is that you have no interest in facts, you just want to find stuff that confirms what you have already been told.
Think about it for a moment, why is the rest of the stuff you are reading true when such simple things as above, which can be so easily fact checked are wrong? What sort of agenda do the sources that you are gaining this misinformation from have?
Though why I am even bothering to type this I have no idea because you don't really care about facts, just opinion that supports you own.
Remember to call me a jew again, makes you feel better I guess...
Think about it for a moment, why is the rest of the stuff you are reading true when such simple things as above, which can be so easily fact checked are wrong? What sort of agenda do the sources that you are gaining this misinformation from have?
Though why I am even bothering to type this I have no idea because you don't really care about facts, just opinion that supports you own.
Remember to call me a jew again, makes you feel better I guess...
Jew were hated by Hitler because he blamed them for international banking, I suppose he was right though. Hitler hated capitalism and communism (both he said were Jewish creations, I suppose he was right again there at least on communism). He hated the stock market which was another Jewish creation, he hated interest which was another Jewish creation.
Basically everything that is wrong with finance today Hitler hated (and its 100 times worse today than what Hitler saw) and blamed the Jews for it.
"He buys and sells but creates nothing"
Basically the economy shouldnt be based on buying mortgages and selling derivatives
Basically everything that is wrong with finance today Hitler hated (and its 100 times worse today than what Hitler saw) and blamed the Jews for it.
"He buys and sells but creates nothing"
Basically the economy shouldnt be based on buying mortgages and selling derivatives
Lol. Whatever dude.
I didnt call you a jew. i said jewish maybe? Laughingly at your heavy israel bias.
Murdoch being jewish or not (it was others here that say his mother is jewish) i re-enforced my point of his organisation being biased towards israel, both by pointing out why christians are biased towards the state of israel AND the fact his media companies reinforcing this bias by failing to nention all (if not most) of anything anti-israeli.
Lol, keep up ur work of trying to discredit my postings. hf
I didnt call you a jew. i said jewish maybe? Laughingly at your heavy israel bias.
Murdoch being jewish or not (it was others here that say his mother is jewish) i re-enforced my point of his organisation being biased towards israel, both by pointing out why christians are biased towards the state of israel AND the fact his media companies reinforcing this bias by failing to nention all (if not most) of anything anti-israeli.
Lol, keep up ur work of trying to discredit my postings. hf
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