Agreed. Recently I've started noticing that though I speak well, some of the words I use are atrocious and incredibly crude. Not good. Cutting down drastically now, stopping with effect the "c" word etc.
A take on feminism [Cartoon strip] - Is this a reality or not?
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Agreed. Recently I've started noticing that though I speak well, some of the words I use are atrocious and incredibly crude. Not good. Cutting down drastically now, stopping with effect the "c" word etc.
My thing was to stop using the word retard, which is something I have yet to do. Faggot/Gay as a derogative on the other hand is now completely out of my system.
Agreed on the retard front, but I don't consider faggot a priority. It's a word I use, but wouldn't use on a queer, if you know what I mean.
P.s speaking of which, that LGBTQ lark confuses me. I thought queer was a term for a homo? why is it listed after lesbian and Gay?
Feminism. Says it all in the word really. If it's about equality then it doesn't need to be "feminism" at all. Seemingly now it tends to attract people who like to conform to the negative stereotype that feminism is about equality, but they think women are more equal than men *insert ridiculous reasons why*.
However, it's clearly obvious that this comic strip isn't making fun of women who want equality, it's making fun of extremists within "feminism". It says it all really in the second box "you're alienating male supporters of female equality by treating them like the enemy". Those who are saying it's a dig at equal female rights are clearly purposefully misunderstanding it and ignoring everything that doesn't conform to that view point, which is something the comic strip is trying to highlight. Good job there.
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You shouldn't use Faggot because it comes from a time that Witches were burnt at the stake, and gay people were thrown on as an after thought, like kindling, hence, faggots.
Gender Queer is a weird thing that I have even less experience of as transsexuals (had to find out about transsexuals for work once)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer - in short, its a transsexual who has no fixed sex and likes to dabble at some point in between or above it all.
Considering the extreme patriarchal society we live in, we need feminism to counter the incredible imbalance, its part of equality. We will never ever get to the point where there is any danger of it dipping the wrong way.
The idea that there are serious credible feminists that want a female dominant society is false and picking on said crazy people and painting them as the example of decent correct thinking feminists is both disingenuous and cheap.
It's a terrible comic based on circle jerking logic about being better than demonstrable idiots and has very little to do with credible feminism. He might as well be arguing with Hitler and posting that as an example of arguing with Conservative Politicians because they are both right wing.
I have had conversations with both men and women who firmly believe every male on the planet should be farmed for sperm, then executed so the world can start again based on a female only upbringing.
Hell, if you could replicate the universe and try it, I would be incredibly interested to see the real world implications of such an event 4 or 5 generations down the line, but to actually support the idea lol.
I imagine institutionalised genocide and the murder of any secret illegal male child would equal a hellish society regardless of your gender.
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I don't think that the murder of male children after the initial cull is the point - if I'm understanding it correctly it's to remove the patriarchial society by having just women as the leaders initially from the period of the genocide. If after that point male children are born (someone needs to restock the sperm banks presumably?) then they will be brought up in the environment with women as leaders and it might be interesting to see if society would stay as it would have to be then (heavily female dominated) or if masculinity would eventually be the dominant type again*.
As for the original comic strip, it's perhaps true of a relatively limited number of feminists but there's a whole gamut of possibilities before you get to that extreme.
*This already depends somewhat on the society, Hofstede's Cultural Dimensions theory tells us that some countries and societies display more feminine traits than others. I wouldn't mention the theory normally but I'm trying to remember it for my studies.
Feminists are the biggest enemy to women. Studies have shown that western women are more and more unhappy in this society then their grandmothers/great grandmothers were.
Basically women kinda screwed themselves over if you think about it, not saying it's going to be like this forever but while before a woman was expected to raise children and take care of the house while the men worked, women in this society are expected to do just that + work at the same time. This may not be true for a lot of couples who share responsibilities, but there are still thousands of couples who function like this and in almost all relationships women are expected to at least take part time work while juggling house tasks and children at the same time. And the funny thing is, most of them still whine and complain that their men don't make enough money to support them and they have to work, well...you kinda got what you asked for, not to mention the way they completely screwed all the population in general as well, by inundating as in doubling the work force, without enough jobs to go around, corporations are able to keep wages low, have very high standards to give employment and in general just use people in a almost slave like fashion. Where as before companies were expected to pay a decent salary to a lot of jobs because everyone expected the male to have enough money to support a family, corporations were able to half that salary because the woman is expected to work as well, so they basically are able to double their work force for nothing. Just think, a lot of ignorant people complain that the reason why there's so few jobs or there are so many people unemployed or the reason why wages are so low due to cheap labour is because of immigrants. Think about it, women did the exact same thing, they took millions of jobs away from men for their own selfish profit, and the thing that winds me up the most... back in the day, a man was expected to take care of his family, but now, every man is expected to take care of every family (child benefits), congratulation women, you must feel so empowered.
note: Child benefits is one of the most empowering things to women and one of the most destructive things to children (even thou it takes care of them, it's also destroying our society slowly), before most women didn't have a choice to leave the parent of their children whenever they felt like it, now they do, which results in millions of tax payers (who more then half of them are probably men anyway) having to fork the bill, it also destroys new generations by having so many kids grow up without a male figure, which in turn can lead to violence, indiscipline and quite simply a lot of young brats who don't know how to be men and women.
This is a very right winged way of thinking so take it with a pinch of salt but there are many documentaries on this matter and if you think about it some of it is true.
If you not into documentaries just watch "Mad Men", great show + Christina Hendricks.
Basically women kinda screwed themselves over if you think about it, not saying it's going to be like this forever but while before a woman was expected to raise children and take care of the house while the men worked, women in this society are expected to do just that + work at the same time. This may not be true for a lot of couples who share responsibilities, but there are still thousands of couples who function like this and in almost all relationships women are expected to at least take part time work while juggling house tasks and children at the same time. And the funny thing is, most of them still whine and complain that their men don't make enough money to support them and they have to work, well...you kinda got what you asked for, not to mention the way they completely screwed all the population in general as well, by inundating as in doubling the work force, without enough jobs to go around, corporations are able to keep wages low, have very high standards to give employment and in general just use people in a almost slave like fashion. Where as before companies were expected to pay a decent salary to a lot of jobs because everyone expected the male to have enough money to support a family, corporations were able to half that salary because the woman is expected to work as well, so they basically are able to double their work force for nothing. Just think, a lot of ignorant people complain that the reason why there's so few jobs or there are so many people unemployed or the reason why wages are so low due to cheap labour is because of immigrants. Think about it, women did the exact same thing, they took millions of jobs away from men for their own selfish profit, and the thing that winds me up the most... back in the day, a man was expected to take care of his family, but now, every man is expected to take care of every family (child benefits), congratulation women, you must feel so empowered.
note: Child benefits is one of the most empowering things to women and one of the most destructive things to children (even thou it takes care of them, it's also destroying our society slowly), before most women didn't have a choice to leave the parent of their children whenever they felt like it, now they do, which results in millions of tax payers (who more then half of them are probably men anyway) having to fork the bill, it also destroys new generations by having so many kids grow up without a male figure, which in turn can lead to violence, indiscipline and quite simply a lot of young brats who don't know how to be men and women.
This is a very right winged way of thinking so take it with a pinch of salt but there are many documentaries on this matter and if you think about it some of it is true.
If you not into documentaries just watch "Mad Men", great show + Christina Hendricks.
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Surely that would have the opposite to the desired effect (I mean, clearly we're ignoring the monstrous suggestion of murdering half the population
)?My point was that if it's "feminism" then it's not about equality, is it? I'm all for equality but the word feminism itself shows that it's not about being equal.
That's where I think you're missing the point of the comic strip (purposefully? Maybe so). I think it's pretty clear that they're making fun of the clearly unhinged extreme feminists who don't really want equality, they think women are better than men and should be treated as such. Or you know, they're making fun of the feminists that aren't credible at all.
See the above, I think it's perfectly clear that they're making a dig at feminists who have no credibility at all. The very fact that it's said kinda points that out, unless you're striving to miss that point entirely.
"you're alienating male supporters of female equality by treating them like the enemy"
"Not only are you reinforcing negative stereotypes about feminists"
Come on, it's fair clear that's the whole point in it. it's targeting the people who fall in to the behaviour patterns of the negative feminist stereotype.
Ugh, massive wall of text, let's break it up a bit.
Source?
You say it like it was a concious effort, it might have become the end result, but it's under the assumption that women only want to become baby machines and nothing else. The average age for women to give birth seems to be increasing, so it kinda nullifies this point somewhat.
Your argument is a bit confusing, your point seems to be a bit all over the place.
Well I know this can and does happen (seems to be a common theme on something like Supernanny, where the stay at home mums will whine about how their "man" does nothing around the house despite the fact that they've been at work all day while she's been home, but that's more about dysfunctional parenting mainly rather than women)
Who exactly asked for that? Not nearly every women currently of working age in this country.
I'm pretty sure the attitude to women and working changed due to the second world war, where with nearly all the men of working age being out of the country, there was no other choice other than to have the women working in the factories and everything else. The idea before that was that women weren't capable of doing the job a man does, it was proven wrong there and then.
This just sounds like wild speculation again, source?
Whilst I agree that it's the ignorant that complain about immigrants "taking jobs" I think it's nonsense to suggest it's at the fault of women. The reason why "immigrants" are seen to be taking jobs is mainly down to employers being able to pay some immigrants less than they legally have to, confident that they won't complain, as well as a large portion of the population acting like such jobs are beneath them, so wouldn't do them anyway. To suggest that women are selfish for wanting equality is just a demonstration that you have an extreme lack of intelligence. It's under the assumption that women only strive to be baby machines and that's it, some women want there to be more to their lives than that and there's nothing selfish about that at all.
Child benefits is another argument all together, it's not really at the fault of women, if you're going to complain, point the finger at the government who allow that to take place, not women for being born female.
It is a system that does need to be addressed, but again isn't the fault of women, it's the fault of the government who put it in place.
Why should a woman stay with some one just because she has a child with them? If it's not a happy relationship then that's more than good enough reason to get out of the relationship. You should not criticise that fact.
What has this got to do with feminism and child benefits? Do you even know what you're talking about? Do you think a woman staying with a man who she's not happy with and doesn't have a good relationship with isn't going to be damaging to a child? It's quite offensive really. I've grown up without a "male figure", it's not led me to violence, indiscipline and any other ridiculous reasons you're thinking of.
I don't think I could afford the required quantity of salt to take this with.
Feminism doesn't mean female dominance though, feminism is just about righting the wrongs of male dominance and making it equal.
Exactly, and in doing so does what, is it a circle jerk highlighting how dumb these people who think this way are? Is it a shot at all feminists? Is it an attempt at humour? I see no purpose to it, because it either fails to do anything or does something which is redundant.
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By being equally ****-faced?