Anyone know Stacey and Ellie Hall from Leeds?

HeX · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:24

Surely someone can bang that info into facebook and find something!

GravyMonster · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:27

Emphacy said:
Am I the only one who's amazed by the fact a 3 year old girl knew and phoned the number for 999 and was able to tell the police her address etc etc.

We've taught our 3 year old daughter our full address, even the postcode, and told her how to dial for an ambulance if Mummy, Daddy, Grandad or Nanny go to sleep and won't wake up.

You never know when a situation like this might happen.

RomanNose · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:27

Surely she is on the electoral register?

antijoke · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:30

That is some seriously dark ****!

Imagine the state the young girl will be in if this turns out to be true and they haven't found the mother.

lewism · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:34

People need to remember this isn't Hollywood. You can't trace everything. If they could this wouldn't even be news.

realBabelfish · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:34

dannyjo22 said:
You would have thought that was enough to go on for the police to not require an appeal. Hopefully they will get to her and her mother quickly now

+1

surely any call can be traced? mobiles can and landlines can, so whats the issue? seems a bit weird to me. hopefully if this is legit it ends well!

dowie · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:36

So rather than getting BT/relevant phone company to provide the address for the number that called... (presumably there is someone capable of searching a database even if tracing calls wasn't fairly standard?) they want the BBC/members of the public to help...

sounds like a massive fail on the part of the emergency services/phone companies... how hard can it really be to get an address

Glaucus · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:38

dowie said:
So rather than getting BT/relevant phone company to provide the address for the number that called... (presumably there is someone capable of searching a database even if tracing calls wasn't fairly standard?) they want the BBC/members of the public to help...

sounds like a massive fail on the part of the emergency services/phone companies... how hard can it really be to get an address

A team of detectives is making "wide-ranging" inquiries to trace the family, including checks on police systems, hospitals, and the public register of births, she added.

Det Ch Insp Griffin said police were still making efforts to trace the origin of the call as it had not shown up to the emergency operator at the time it was made.

Dr David Macklin, associate medical director of Yorkshire Ambulance Service, said this was "unusual".

"With the increasing number of mobile phones used to dial 999 we are seeing an increasing number of cases where we do not have an exact location for the emergency," said Dr Macklin.

"When that does happen, our call-takers do their best to try and identify landmarks or a position where we can understand the correct location."

An added difficulty in this case was that it was a young child who was making the call, said Dr Macklin.

It didn't come up, so it could well be a withheld number and it's not like they aren't chasing down options.

realBabelfish · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:40

lewism said:
People need to remember this isn't Hollywood. You can't trace everything. If they could this wouldn't even be news.

i bet if i called 999 and said i had a bomb i would be with a few officers in a few minutes. dont they at least have caller display or something?

dowie · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:40

Glaucus said:
It didn't come up, so it could well be a withheld number and it's not like they aren't chasing down options.

well quite obviously... that doesn't detract from the fact that its still fairly inept of them (collectively) that this can't be done... if you absolutely positively needed to get that number/address the information is already out there, stored awaiting a fairly simple query....

Glaucus · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:41

dowie said:
well quite obviously... that doesn't detract from the fact that its still fairly inept of them (collectively) that this can't be done... if you absolutely positively needed to get that number/address the information is already out there, stored awaiting a fairly simple query....

How do they get it with no number?

TheVoice · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:44

dowie said:
well quite obviously... that doesn't detract from the fact that its still fairly inept of them (collectively) that this can't be done... if you absolutely positively needed to get that number/address the information is already out there, stored awaiting a fairly simple query....

It's an ambulance service control room, not MI5. The call was evidently made from a mobile so there's no 'address' as such, and the mobile networks need a summons to release any customer information, location etc, which is presumably what the police will be doing.

If there were more direct methods, do you people really think they wouldn't have already been used? Calling the emergency services inept whilst suggesting complete nonsense is rather hypocritical.

CaptainRAVE · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:44

Surprised that the call couldn't be traced and that they couldn't find out where they are with the information they have?

Raumarik · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:44

Glaucus said:
How do they get it with no number?

It may not display at the end point but telephone companies can trace incoming calls regardless, after all it needs a source and destination, it's not magic. Legally though I'm not sure how they could do this quickly.

Glaucus · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:45

Halfmad said:
It may not display at the end point but telephone companies can trace incoming calls regardless, after all it needs a source and destination, it's not magic. Legally though I'm not sure how they could do this quickly.

Right, ok so they are to look through 10miilion phone calls from that time and Tracey it, not knowing which one to look at.

I think several off you are living in Hollywood land.

Marmot · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:46

Sooner or later the postman will put a letter through the door with the full address on it for the child to relay to the emergency services. Just gotta hope the child is smart enough to recognise it when it happens. Don't hold much hope for the mother though. What a terrible situation.

dowie · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:46

Glaucus said:
Right, ok so they are to look through 10miilion phone calls from that time and Tracey it, not knowing which one to look at.

I think several off you are living in Hollywood land.

lol yeah they manually look through a list.. because querying lists is a really hard thing to do

you've got the time of the call within a few minutes, the duration of the call - how many 999 calls were started at that point in time, (within a minute either side) that lasted for greater than 30 minutes...

Glaucus · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:47

dowie said:
lol yeah they manually look through a list.. because querying lists is a really hard thing to do

Query for what, which phone company, which list, querry for what ID?

Why do you think It's so easy? why do you think they haven't thought off that? seeing as they're going to the efforts to try and find birth certificates from a database.

cu3ed · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:49

Bet if all the info was posted on 4chan they would have the location faster!

Raumarik · 31 Jul 2012 at 15:50

Glaucus said:
Right, ok so they are to look through 10miilion phone calls from that time and Tracey it, not knowing which one to look at.

I think several off you are living in Hollywood land.

They have the end point - the call was taken, they simply work back from the time it came in and trace any calls active on the numbers at that time. The problem will be what telecommunications company it came from and getting hold of those records as well as the necessary legal permission to access that data. :rolleyes:

More importantly if they have a vague idea where it came from there can only be so many 23 &^&&&& court to check and I suspect neighbours will be doing that already.