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dannyjo22 said:
When my old man started to develop alzheimer's they recommended that he give up alcohol to try to prolong his slide into dementia. I suggest Fergie takes some of that advice the hypocritical old **** :p
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You're litterally obsessed with Fergie aren't you. You spend more time talking about him than you do anything related to Everton. Suffice to say we've never spent 150m in one transfer window nor have we ever spent 45m on one player not least a 19 year old from Brazil so no nothing he said there is hypocritical whatsoever.
 
If I remember right, in 2004, when transfer fees were a lot, lot less, didn't Ferguson splash out over £25m on a 19 year old. Oh yes, I think he did.

Adjusted with inflation, PSG are no more guilty than Ferguson. It's just all the whisky has given Ferguson a selective memory.
 
Tom84 said:
You're litterally obsessed with Fergie aren't you. You spend more time talking about him than you do anything related to Everton. Suffice to say we've never spent 150m in one transfer window nor have we ever spent 45m on one player not least a 19 year old from Brazil so no nothing he said there is hypocritical whatsoever.
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But you've spent 30million Euros and 30 million GBP on 19year olds in the past in Anderson and Rooney. I'm sure with market rate adjustments that is damn close to the Lucas deal PSG have done.

Fergie has always been a hypocrite.
 
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Curse of the tattoo? :D

I hope he stays.
 
BaZ87 said:
To be fair to the press, I don't think they got too much wrong on the Carroll stories. I'm pretty sure West Ham did make us an offer and even if it might not have officially been accepted, I get the impression that they were close enough to meeting our valuation but any deal is/was being held up by Carroll.

I think it's a bit of a waiting game now and a matter of who will buckle first - will we drop our asking price, will Newcastle up their bid or will Carroll take up West Ham's offer (assuming it's still on the table). Now I've said that, nobody will and he'll end up staying.
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Got that feeling Carroll will be one of those white elephant players, no one will pay close to £35m ever again for him and wont be prepared to take a wage drop. Liverpool know they are stuck with him and Newcastle know they don't want him for anywhere near what they sold him for so he just wont go anywhere.

The West Ham stuff was all just pomp and show, last year they were complaining about the financial fair play in the champ and how much more trouble the already risky finance's of the club would be in so I really doubt they have anywhere near the money for Carroll in the first place (even for a loan with an assurance they will buy if they stayed up).

It's fun to watch but difficult to believe sometimes.


Newbie007 said:
But you've spent 30million Euros and 30 million GBP on 19year olds in the past in Anderson and Rooney. I'm sure with market rate adjustments that is damn close to the Lucas deal PSG have done.

Fergie has always been a hypocrite.
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Rooney is a massive exception to the "we don't waste money on kids" line. At that price he still was a steal, it was clear for everyone how good a player he is, how much he he brought to the Everton team that season. I still remember the commentator shouting "and this is the day we all remember the name Wayne Rooney" because he was right, it was a land mark moment for a land mark player.

Fergie is not a hypocrite because of Rooney, because Rooney was not one of those players you could just go "still just a kid, not worth the cash". At the time you could see he was worth every penny, I still think Everton could have gotten more, he was really that exciting.
 
robfosters said:
If I remember right, in 2004, when transfer fees were a lot, lot less, didn't Ferguson splash out over £25m on a 19 year old. Oh yes, I think he did.

Adjusted with inflation, PSG are no more guilty than Ferguson. It's just all the whisky has given Ferguson a selective memory.
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Newbie007 said:
But you've spent 30million Euros and 30 million GBP on 19year olds in the past in Anderson and Rooney. I'm sure with market rate adjustments that is damn close to the Lucas deal PSG have done.

Fergie has always been a hypocrite.
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As I've said before the inflation argument is only relevant if you're got a club are willing to comply with it. Back then Fergie paid £25m (rising to £28m IIRC) for Rooney (Anderson FYI was no more than £19m) I can assure you now Fergie would never pay €45m for a player, not now, not back then and not in 5 years time if he's still in charge.
 
Tom84 said:
You're litterally obsessed with Fergie aren't you. You spend more time talking about him than you do anything related to Everton. Suffice to say we've never spent 150m in one transfer window nor have we ever spent 45m on one player not least a 19 year old from Brazil so no nothing he said there is hypocritical whatsoever.
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What about 5 posts in 2 years, yeah that's obsession. It's hardly any more critical that the hundreds of posts obsessing about how Fergie is getting it all wrong from united fans. What about the posts where I have defended him for knowing what he's doing year after year when after 5 games loads of your fans declare it over only for you to go on and win the title.

Whats the point of posting about Everton, no one cares in this Manu sub section of the forum. I use other forums for discussing Everton or more general football sections with club threads.

robfosters said:
If I remember right, in 2004, when transfer fees were a lot, lot less, didn't Ferguson splash out over £25m on a 19 year old. Oh yes, I think he did.

Adjusted with inflation, PSG are no more guilty than Ferguson. It's just all the whisky has given Ferguson a selective memory.
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Exactly but now they are no longer in a position to use finances to wrestle the best players from other clubs it's time to bleat and make out it's all so unfair. 45 million euros is what 35 million pound? I admire them for not paying the agents fees but then he probably would if the agent was his son :p
 
Shamikebab said:
How many world class 34 year old strikers are there?
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He isn't 34... they are bidding on a 29year old player. Its up to United to value his worth over the

Sherringham was still doing a good job in his later years for United.

Bit of a pointless thing to say though. If he scores the goals in his first season that wins United the EPL he has done his job.

On the otherside how many 19 years olds are World Class? Its all a gamble and its up to United to take the risk. Arsenal arent there to provide them with players at a cheap price just because he is a senior player.

Arsenal have a price, if United dont want to pay it then move along.
 
Tom84 said:
As I've said before the inflation argument is only relevant if you're got a club are willing to comply with it. Back then Fergie paid £25m (rising to £28m IIRC) for Rooney (Anderson FYI was no more than £19m) I can assure you now Fergie would never pay €45m for a player, not now, not back then and not in 5 years time if he's still in charge.
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I think you're missing the point Tom. Paying £25-28m back then, in reality, is more than paying £35m now so whether Taggart understands inflation or not, he's already paid more ridiculous amounts for 19 year olds.

As others have said, he's a hypocrite. If he could then he'd pay what it takes to get the players he wants again. This is no different from his comments on Hazard's agent getting £6m from Chelsea. Utd paid Ferdinand's agent £5m 10 years ago.

And Anderson was €30m which was just over £20m the summer he signed. If the payments were staggered though, it likely cost a fair bit more than £20m.
 
It does seem a bit like sour grapes from Fergie to be fair. The bottom line is we were at one time willing and able to pay what was then the highest going rate, while now we are either not willing, not able, or both.

It's as simple as that whichever way you look at it. It's also worth noting when being critical of PSG paying €45m for Lucas that to them €45m is going to be worth far less than whatever we were willing to pay was to us. That's how football has always been, you're either the richest and can spend the most money, or you're not and have to make excuses for why the system isn't fair.

Move on to the next target, hopefully if we do go for someone else it's in a more appropriate position.
 
BaZ87 said:
I think you're missing the point Tom. Paying £25-28m back then, in reality, is more than paying £35m now so whether Taggart understands inflation or not, he's already paid more ridiculous amounts for 19 year olds.

As others have said, he's a hypocrite. If he could then he'd pay what it takes to get the players he wants again. This is no different from his comments on Hazard's agent getting £6m from Chelsea. Utd paid Ferdinand's agent £5m 10 years ago.

And Anderson was €30m which was just over £20m the summer he signed. If the payments were staggered though, it likely cost a fair bit more than £20m.
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No I'm not missing the point I can fully understand people who believe that 25m back in 2005 = 45m or whatever today my point is like you said either Fergie hasn't moved with the times/inflation or the club are unable to spend that kind of money now. I dont know which is the reality of the situation but I suspect under Fergie we wont spend more than 30m on a player.
 
Rooney at today's exchange rate (£>€) + inflation was approx €40m. The exchange rate back takes it to approx €46m, so all in all fairly similar prices I'd say ;)
 
How has Lucas not shown more potential than rooney ? Rooney is quite slow, not got any real trickery and was known at the time fir thumping the odd goal vs arsenal. Lucas has amazing pace, skill and has hit some wondergoals himself.
 
The invention of Youtube really was the worst thing that could possibly happen for arm chair fans like you Nick ;)
 
Rooney's potential was judged on performaces which the whole country could see, a Youtube vid of someone looking amazing (and the stuff Lucas pulls off in the vids I've seen does look exceptional) doesn't compare.

How good do those videos make Lucas look, pretty epic right? So how poor/below par must the rest of his game be that he's still not rated as highly as some other young prospects from the South American leagues? I do look forward to finding out, and it's not that I'm saying he isn't as good as he appears, but I'm not sold purely because of the price tag and a few clips that make him look amazing. He might be everything he's supposed to be, but the transfer fees being offered would suggest that he already is, despite him never having actually kicked a ball in a european league yet.

This one is a risk I'm happy to see someone else take.
 
Tom84 said:
No I'm not missing the point I can fully understand people who believe that 25m back in 2005 = 45m or whatever today my point is like you said either Fergie hasn't moved with the times/inflation or the club are unable to spend that kind of money now. I dont know which is the reality of the situation but I suspect under Fergie we wont spend more than 30m on a player.
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The argument started from you taking exception to somebody calling Fergie a hypocrite. Utd not being willing or able to pay these sort of fees now, doesn't make Fergie's comments less hypocritical.

Utd, under Fergie, have paid comparable (at the very least) fees for 19 year olds to what PSG are paying and bigger agent fees than what Chelsea paid Hazard's agent.

He's in no position to complain about others spending when he was doing the same previously.
 
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