15 Year Old Shoots His Mum & Sister Dead & Calmly Tells 911 About It!

physichull · 7 Oct 2012 at 19:39

Trusty said:
I agree essentially it shouldn't have an effect on gun crime, if someone is going to shoot someone they will find a gun somehow. For me though, if guns are legally accessible it will surely act as a gateway.

I doubt a middle class 17 year old from that sort of background would find a gun somehow in the UK. But that's not to say that he wouldn't just use another means for killing. But having a gun freely available clearly made it a lot easier decision for him.

Eliot · 7 Oct 2012 at 19:40

If you ask me he sounds like he's autistic for a start.
Theres a lot more to it than that though.

Trusty · 7 Oct 2012 at 19:41

Balddog said:
You guys really shouldn't be comparing the US and UK when it comes to gun control issues, they are so insanely different situations.

How so? When you strip everything away it's still the same issue. A countries population legally allowed to buy firearms.

physichull said:
I doubt a middle class 17 year old from that sort of background would find a gun somehow in the UK. But that's not to say that he wouldn't just use another means for killing. But having a gun freely available clearly made it a lot easier decision for him.

That's what i'm saying, i don't understand how having no gun law in America isn't a detriment to their society.

IvanDobskey · 7 Oct 2012 at 19:59

Wow, this kid must have serious mental problems :eek:

Just as well the rest of his family weren't in at the time!

Only in the good old US of A.

This is just messed up.

jaybee · 7 Oct 2012 at 20:12

OMG. That call. Surreal. If he wanted to never see his family again there are easier ways.

theleg · 7 Oct 2012 at 20:13

Trusty said:
How so? When you strip everything away it's still the same issue. A countries population legally allowed to buy firearms.

because on one hand you are looking at the issue from a country that is absolutely saturated with guns. ALL the criminals have guns already..

on the other hand you are looking at the issue from a country with nearly no guns and no right to guns for self defence.

I fully support strict gun control in the UK but not in the US. Its simply not practical to try and impose control on a country that has had none for so long.

Camalot · 7 Oct 2012 at 20:24

Very un nerving listening to that.

Moothead2 · 7 Oct 2012 at 20:29

Balddog said:
because on one hand you are looking at the issue from a country that is absolutely saturated with guns. ALL the criminals have guns already..

on the other hand you are looking at the issue from a country with nearly no guns and no right to guns for self defence.

I fully support strict gun control in the UK but not in the US. Its simply not practical to try and impose control on a country that has had none for so long.

This. America's already too deep in the brown stuff to ban guns outright but arming more people would be stupid. The only thing I'd say is that they should make it a bit harder to buy both guns and ammunition. You shouldn't be able to go down to your local Tesco and buy 9mm rounds.

FoxEye · 7 Oct 2012 at 20:47

Eliot said:
If you ask me he sounds like he's autistic for a start.
Theres a lot more to it than that though.

Was Jimmy Saville ever in Texas?

Trusty · 7 Oct 2012 at 21:21

Balddog said:
because on one hand you are looking at the issue from a country that is absolutely saturated with guns. ALL the criminals have guns already..

on the other hand you are looking at the issue from a country with nearly no guns and no right to guns for self defence.

I fully support strict gun control in the UK but not in the US. Its simply not practical to try and impose control on a country that has had none for so long.

Surely then no problems would be solved if that was the attitude. There's no mountain you can't climb!

They should impose restrictions...it's as simple as that, better late than never.

theleg · 7 Oct 2012 at 21:25

Trusty said:
Surely then no problems would be solved if that was the attitude. There's no mountain you can't climb!

They should impose restrictions...it's as simple as that, better late than never.

They can't and they won't...its too ingrained in the culture. I don't think you understand the culture if you think it would ever happen.

and isn't it somewhat arrogant to assume that your solution is the right one.

jsmoke · 7 Oct 2012 at 21:27

Only in the US of A. NOT! Also in the UK actually.

Moothead2 · 7 Oct 2012 at 21:32

jsmoke said:
Only in the US of A. NOT! Also in the UK actually.

When was the last time you heard of a British child shooting dead a parent and sibling in the UK?

asim18 · 7 Oct 2012 at 22:06

Would be epic if dude signs up to OcUK in 15 years or whenever he gets out of prison and posts in this thread. Would probably be the best thread resurrection ever.

Trusty · 7 Oct 2012 at 22:19

Balddog said:
They can't and they won't...its too ingrained in the culture. I don't think you understand the culture if you think it would ever happen.

and isn't it somewhat arrogant to assume that your solution is the right one.

They can, of course they can, whether they would is a completely different topic. I understand the culture, but saying they can't do anything about it is ridiculous. If culture couldn't be changed then why have Spain done away with bull fighting, there's numerous examples of culture being changed. That's a complete farce that comment.

Also, i don't see how i'm being arrogant, i'm only putting forward my opinion, i fully comprehend that it's not as simple as "guns are now banned".

theleg · 7 Oct 2012 at 23:24

Trusty said:
They can, of course they can, whether they would is a completely different topic. I understand the culture, but saying they can't do anything about it is ridiculous. If culture couldn't be changed then why have Spain done away with bull fighting, there's numerous examples of culture being changed. That's a complete farce that comment.

Also, i don't see how i'm being arrogant, i'm only putting forward my opinion, i fully comprehend that it's not as simple as "guns are now banned".

What? Since when did spain get rid of bullfighting? I know they had a ban on airing the events on tv for a while but that was lifted recently iirc.

Its also nothing like bullfighting. Guns are not only part of the national consciousness and identity of the US, they form an integral part of the national psyche and not to mention the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the founding documents of their country.

Unless you can find a way to magically remove ALL of the guns in private hands at once, its just not practical. At the moment, everyone in the US has guns. If you pass a law saying people have to hand in their guns or something, the only people that will do it are the law abiding. Criminals, by their very nature, won't....So you will have all the criminals armed and their victims disarmed.

We don't face that issue in the UK because nearly nobody has guns in the first place...There are so few guns here that they are relatively easily controlled.

StriderX · 7 Oct 2012 at 23:27

Well that sounds like a perfect person for black ops, I wonder if he will be recruited?

(by this i mean, someone who doesn't seem to hesitate killing people)

teaboy5 · 7 Oct 2012 at 23:27

Balddog said:
What? Since when did spain get rid of bullfighting? I know they had a ban on airing the events on tv for a while but that was lifted recently iirc.

Its also nothing like bullfighting. Guns are not only part of the national consciousness and identity of the US, they form an integral part of the national psyche and not to mention the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the founding documents of their country.

Unless you can find a way to magically remove ALL of the guns in private hands at once, its just not practical. At the moment, everyone in the US has guns. If you pass a law saying people have to hand in their guns or something, the only people that will do it are the law abiding. Criminals, by their very nature, won't....So you will have all the criminals armed and their victims disarmed.

We don't face that issue in the UK because nearly nobody has guns in the first place...There are so few guns here that they are relatively easily controlled.

I wouldn't say there is so few guns in the UK. There are over 300k registered guns in NI alone and that includes hand guns, shotguns and rifles.

theleg · 7 Oct 2012 at 23:31

teaboy5 said:
I wouldn't say there is so few guns in the UK. There are over 300k registered guns in NI alone and that includes hand guns, shotguns and rifles.

US has something like 90 guns per 100 people..Mainland UK is like 6 per 100 or something...and NI has a tiny population so it doesn't really have much of an affect..

Personally id say that is relatively few. If you think differently good for you.

Trusty · 7 Oct 2012 at 23:34

Balddog said:
What? Since when did spain get rid of bullfighting? I know they had a ban on airing the events on tv for a while but that was lifted recently iirc.

Its also nothing like bullfighting. Guns are not only part of the national consciousness and identity of the US, they form an integral part of the national psyche and not to mention the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the founding documents of their country.

Unless you can find a way to magically remove ALL of the guns in private hands at once, its just not practical. At the moment, everyone in the US has guns. If you pass a law saying people have to hand in their guns or something, the only people that will do it are the law abiding. Criminals, by their very nature, won't....So you will have all the criminals armed and their victims disarmed.

We don't face that issue in the UK because nearly nobody has guns in the first place...There are so few guns here that they are relatively easily controlled.

Bullfighting was an example, i thought that was being banned now? :confused:

My point was more directed at culture can be changed, of course it can. Culture is being changed and bent all the time, it's ever evolving.

Again, you seem to think i believe that guns should just be banned overnight or something. Of course you couldn't do that, like you say, it would leave a huge proportion of people unable to defend themselves against the non law abiding criminals. But that doesn't mean America shouldn't impose stricter gun laws, you would wean them off it so to speak.