Korean Grand Prix 2012, Yeongam - Race 16/20

EddScott · 11 Oct 2012 at 12:36

Skeeter said:
Webber won't make it, Grosjean is going to trip him up on the way in.

Ha, now thats funny.

deuse said:
I still think that webber backed off just a bit at the first corner..well he was doing the job rb told him to

I think he did too and Grosjean wasn't expecting it. Still wrong place wrong time.

Skeeter · 11 Oct 2012 at 12:45

Setroc said:
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We can talk about where each driver fits in relation to each other until the cows come home, but I think the overal view is that Vettel has not been the best driver this year, and the RBR has not been the best car.

Where they fit exactly and who is better than who is up for debate, but it looks like Vettel and RBR may win the WDC and WCC without being the best in either.

sunama · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:04

Answer this.
If a driver is not in the best car, but wins the title (on merit, ie. no extraordinary events such and rival drivers being banned or broken limbs)...what does that tell you about the driver?

arknor · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:07

sunama said:
Answer this.
If a driver is not in the best car, but wins the title (on merit, ie. no extraordinary events such and rival drivers being banned or broken limbs)...what does that tell you about the driver?

depends how many dnf's and technical messups hes had compared to his rivals surely

Skeeter · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:11

sunama said:
Answer this.
If a driver is not in the best car, but wins the title (on merit, ie. no extraordinary events such and rival drivers being banned or broken limbs)...what does that tell you about the driver?

Assuming a normal distribution of good drivers and cars (i.e. not something like HRT have the best car by miles, yet its driven by Dingus and Wingus the crash-tastic special kids), then it means the driver is top notch. It will be the case if Alonso wins this year.

Irish_Tom · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:18

I think it comes down to the fact that F1 success is about more than just the driver.

You need driver(s), car(s) and team working in perfect harmony and, importantly, better than your competition for the majority of the season, to secure a WDC or WCC.

Red Bull gave us a master class in this last season, and McLaren have shown this season that having one of the fastest cars and one of the fastest drivers isn't enough; you need reliability and consistency as well as a little bit of luck every now and then.

sunama · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:22

Skeeter said:
Assuming a normal distribution of good drivers and cars (i.e. not something like HRT have the best car by miles, yet its driven by Dingus and Wingus the crash-tastic special kids), then it means the driver is top notch. It will be the case if Alonso wins this year.

Surely, this must apply to Vettel as well, if he wins?

Many people rate Hamilton very highly, but in a better car, he is unable to beat Vettel. This is happening right now.

tummelv · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:35

Are you deliberately trying to be awkward by pretending that Hamilton has finished without a single DNF/team screw up?

Skeeter · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:39

sunama said:
Surely, this must apply to Vettel as well, if he wins?

In my view, if Vettel wins, it will be because RBR have upped their game and improved the car, not because Vettel has upped his game.

Duke · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:42

Going off topic a bit guys

SS F1 site updated with some new videos, including the press conference from earlier - http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/

tummelv · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:48

Which reminds me.....congrats on Monisha becoming Sauber team principal.

Skeeter · 11 Oct 2012 at 15:49

Oh really? Good on her!

Skillmister · 11 Oct 2012 at 16:10

Greboth · 11 Oct 2012 at 16:14

Yey another arguement in F1 discussions but-

There is no denying that Vettal is beating Hamilton in points in, on average so far, a slower car. However you do have to consider the other factors of the season such as DNF's and team screw ups. I suppose it depends how you look at it, either Vettel is so mighty he can beat Hamilton in a slower car or Hamilton is so mighty he has had 4 DNF's and a few team screw up's but is only X points behind (can't remember how many it is)

I rate Hamilton and going into any season I would like him to win however this season I do think Alonso should win, his has out performed everyone consitantly in an off the pace car. Unfortunately though I think it is now Vettels to loose now.

Race predictions though, Vettel win, Hamilton 2nd, Perez 3rd.

Duke · 11 Oct 2012 at 16:28

Nice pic of the drivers there. Had to laugh at this comment on another site about Grosjean - "I bet he's the kind of guy that sticks his elbows out at the table and is always bumping the person next to him."

Skillmister · 11 Oct 2012 at 16:29

I wonder if he's sat at the far end because no one really wanted to sit next to him

smr · 11 Oct 2012 at 16:30

For a moment there I thought Nico had drawn the short straw and wasn't involved in having any table space.

Then I realised he's the head of the table. lol.

Skeeter · 11 Oct 2012 at 16:33

Who's missing?

smr · 11 Oct 2012 at 16:37

I don't see the iceman..

Skeeter · 11 Oct 2012 at 16:41

He's out grabbing the ice cream

Going up the left then back down, I see:

Glock
Kamui
Riccardo
Hulk?
NFI? Who's the bearded guy?
Lewis
Vergne
Someone with a blue top on
Grosjean
Button
Di Resta
Webber
de la Rosa
Senna
Perez
Vettel
Massa
Nico

Meaning were missing Alonso, Narain, Pic, Heikki, Petrov, Maldonado, Schumacher...