Girl accuses stranger off Facebook of rape

BigDannyO · 27 Jun 2013 at 12:50

Freakbro said:
I think partly it means we still have a pervading culture of thinking that women can bring rape upon themselves, by the way they dress or act.

Well speaking for myself, and everyone I know, I don't believe that culture exists. So it seems unfair to label it as "the society we live in".

Steedie · 27 Jun 2013 at 12:51

BigDannyO said:
Well could you create a thread elsewhere to explain then? Because I can't see how I could agree with your phrasing without understanding your reasoning behind the comment. And if your not prepared to back it up it's just an inflammatory comment intended to spark a reaction.

I get the feeling she's one of those feminist types. The slightest hint of ill feeling towards females and she's up in arms arguing the female case

pastymuncher · 27 Jun 2013 at 12:52

Steedie said:
200 hours community service is nothing though compared to what the guy and his family had to endure for 2 years and probably still go through from people who don't know he's been let off

AJK said:
Yes, that's what the article says. Charged with wasting police time, not perverting the course of justice.

Pathetic outcome.

realBabelfish said:
how the hell does she get 200 hours CS and no prison sentence. she would have gladly seen him locked up for 3-5 years. should be the same for her.

This is yet another example of the pathetic soft touch justice system up here. You see the sentences given out on the news and in the papers every day and it's a joke what some people are getting away with. It's truly shocking!!

Freakbro · 27 Jun 2013 at 12:53

BigDannyO said:
Well could you create a thread elsewhere to explain then? Because I can't see how I could agree with your phrasing without understanding your reasoning behind the comment. And if your not prepared to back it up it's just an inflammatory comment intended to spark a reaction.

See my answer above and here is a perfect example (though it does require to me admitted reading the daily mail the other day

.....I can explain!!)

It was in an article about Rihanna, and her less than salubrious image

Daily Mail said:
She [Rihanna] promotes drug-taking, drinking and the sort of fashion sense on stage that surely invites rape at worst, disrespect at least

Jono8 · 27 Jun 2013 at 12:54

Madamoiselle said:
than a few men falsely accused, .

You say that as if it is ok/a non issue? :rolleyes:

BigDannyO · 27 Jun 2013 at 12:57

Freakbro said:
See my answer above and here is a perfect example (though it does require to me admitted reading the daily mail the other day .....I can explain!!)

It was in an article about Rhihanna, and her less than salubrious image

But nobody actually thinks that do they? This is the whole "all men are potential rapists" thing isn't it?

G-MAN2004 · 27 Jun 2013 at 12:57

I'm guessing they would be able to sue her for defamation?

Madamoiselle · 27 Jun 2013 at 12:57

Jono8 said:
You say that as if it is ok/a non issue?

Maybe I was a bit too subtle there?

Madamoiselle · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:01

BigDannyO said:
But nobody actually thinks that do they? This is the whole "all men are potential rapists" thing isn't it?

Yes, the vast majority of society thinks like that. Search back for the threads on here that cover the topic and the amount of rape apologism is quite disturbing.

Freakbro · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:02

BigDannyO said:
But nobody actually thinks that do they? This is the whole "all men are potential rapists" thing isn't it?

Well, the article was in a national newspaper on Tuesday, has been famously quoted from a variety of judges during sentencing over the years plus from many many other sources...so yes, I think you will find it's a more common attitude than you might expect.

Dis86 · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:08

BigDannyO said:
Well could you create a thread elsewhere to explain then? Because I can't see how I could agree with your phrasing without understanding your reasoning behind the comment. And if your not prepared to back it up it's just an inflammatory comment intended to spark a reaction.

She does this a lot. I've asked her in other threads to back up her comments and never had an answer.

On topic though something similar to this happened to a guy on the same course as me at university.
On a night out he met a girl, they started talking. Last time I saw them they had their lips wrapped around one anothers and hands wandering places...

Anyways, turned out she asked to go back to his (this was witnessed by another guy off the course) where they obviously did the rude stuff.
Another group of people saw her leave at about 2 in the morning, no tears or fuss or anything.
Next day, guy bursts into my coursemates room and kicks seven bells out of him. whilst he's getting his head smashed in the guy manages to figure out it's because this bloke is saying he raped his daughter, the girl from the night out.
Later the same day the police show up and arrest him, charging him with rape.

Court date gets set etc, he gets released on bail. In the mean-time everyone finds out what he's accused of. He gets 'asked' to leave the dorms he lives in and the course he's on, effectively meaning the last two years of his life have been an utter waste of time and he's managed to rack up about 25k debts too. Many of his 'friends' and some of his family disown him. He has to move back in with his parents and await his court date.

Court date comes, girl falls apart under cross examination by his defence solicitor and admits that she made up the allegations as she felt guilty about cheating on her fiancee who questioned her about where she'd been when she got home late that night.

This poor guy meanwhile has had his life completely ruined because before he'd even been convicted his name was splashed everywhere and people made a pre-judgement about him. Utterly wrong.
(btw the girl got charged with something, can't remember what it was but it was another pathetic community service sentence she received)

BigDannyO · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:08

Madamoiselle said:
Yes, the vast majority of society thinks like that. Search back for the threads on here that cover the topic and the amount of rape apologism is quite disturbing.

I'm not going to take the views of a computer forum as a representation of the vast majority of society.

Jono · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:16

Ignore.

explicit4u · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:16

Madamoiselle said:
Yes, the vast majority of society thinks like that. Search back for the threads on here that cover the topic and the amount of rape apologism is quite disturbing.

I wouldn't say a vast majority of people agree with that (hard to prove it either way) but I do agree that it's disturbing just how many people think that way.

Bobcat · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:17

Dis86 ^ Just goes to show the lengths some women will go to....

Alternatively, some women are also money orientated, crying rape and then seeking compensation, as compensation can be claimed if the accused is actually found guilty or not, in a way of "society acknowledging what happened", quick easy buck some may think.

"Compensation can sometimes be awarded even if the abuser was not successfully prosecuted. Monetary compensation cannot undo the effects of rape and sexual assault, however it can be viewed as a form of justice and a way of society acknowledging what happened - whether the abuser is punished or not."

Source - http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/Compensation2.php

GravyMonster · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:18

Madamoiselle said:
Yes, the vast majority of society thinks like that. Search back for the threads on here that cover the topic and the amount of rape apologism is quite disturbing.

Yes because this forum of mostly male, 20-40 something, mostly right leaning, slightly above average education = society.

Stop being a muppet.

realBabelfish · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:20

Madamoiselle said:
That makes it all ok. C'mon boys, rape away, they cry for a bit but then everything's ok because people pat them on the head and tell them everything's going to be fine.

of course im not saying that. stop trying to skew everyone's posts to make out we are woman haters. i fully support anyone who has been raped and i know a couple of ladies (and a couple of men [who were boys at the time]) who have had it happen to them.

what im saying is that when such a horrible thing happens at least you have the support of those around you.

whereas with this case the 2 men's lives were turned upside down and ruined for 2 years and no doubt many people will still never trust them again. all because some mental cow decided she wants some sympathy. she deserves jail time as she tried to ruin 2 people's lives just for her own gratification. yet she has basically got the same sentence as if she has shoplifted 2 nice pairs of shoes. how is that fair?

Cosimo · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:20

jsmoke said:
What a vile nasty woman.

.... and I hope that a cell awaits her.

asim18 · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:21

Madamoiselle said:
That makes it all ok. C'mon boys, rape away, they cry for a bit but then everything's ok because people pat them on the head and tell them everything's going to be fine.

? That's not what he was saying at all. Way to misinterpret. :rolleyes:

realBabelfish · 27 Jun 2013 at 13:21

Bobcat said:
I wonder what the hidden statistics are for false rape allegations (if they are even made public), as i guess this will not be an isolated case, it certainly does send a wrong message when the woman is only sentenced to 200hrs of community service, especially when it causes such long-term stigma and issues for the accused.

On the other hand, its good that they publicly 'outed' the woman, putting the record straight, although that's probably little comfort to the poor bloke that has been through this ordeal.

it seems to happen fairly regularly. weve seen quite a few stories of lying about rape only to find its either done out of spite or the man wasnt even in the area.

all this does is make it harder for women who have been really raped, its why stuff like this should be heavily penalised.