Don't use Windows 8 due to risk of 'back doors', warns German government

TPM Temporary Poor Mentality.
If we were to believe every moron's answer to invasion, then the Aliens have already landed and are running both Russia and the USA. At the moment they are engineering the Arab spring so that after all the Arabs destroy themselves they both move in to take away the oil. The more they commit the Arabs to believing they need security from either the Chinese, Russians or the US, the more in debt they become for their help.
No doubt this will come out in the Snowden journals later but these people just feel flattered looking at their own butt in the mirror.
 
jeffa123 said:
TPM Temporary Poor Mentality.
If we were to believe every moron's answer to invasion, then the Aliens have already landed and are running both Russia and the USA. At the moment they are engineering the Arab spring so that after all the Arabs destroy themselves they both move in to take away the oil. The more they commit the Arabs to believing they need security from either the Chinese, Russians or the US, the more in debt they become for their help.
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Yeah, cos it just isn't in man's nature to try and exploit and control his rivals, and especially not in order to deprive another fellow human of his wealth and resources.

Don't they teach history properly in schools anymore? None of what is going on today in it's essence, is particulary new. Except for the global scope of corporate and governmental operations and of course the ultra high tech nature of the modern world.

On the otherhand, it is not surprising that there are so many ignorant idiots around when one considers that the majority of the population of this country are the spawn of serf/slave stock and quite probably destined to end up in that state once again just as soon as the taps of easy wealth are turned off (and 'turned off' they will be by the very design of the modern economic system).
 
Halfmad said:
Some of us do know what we're talking about when it comes to IT security, hell some of us even do it for a living ;)
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The 'I do it for a living' line is all very well, but.....

.....When I was in my late teens/early 20's, I used to sell hash.

I was very sensitive about the choice of business language used on telephone calls (this was before the widespread uptake of mobile phones and indeed before the internet), and I found myself getting into a big long debate with some St Andrews Uni masters student, who used to work as an engineer for BT, who assuredly proclaimed that it was safe for him to speak however he wanted on the telephone, as it was expressly forbidden for any individual or agency to access the telephone exchanges and tap into specific telephone lines and that therefore we could be 100% assured that whatever was said between us was 100% confidential with absolutely no potential for federal eavesdropping blah blah blah etc etc etc.

Whether you are the type who thinks Mr ex BT engineer masters degree student was perfectly rational in his worldview regarding telephone line security (no doubt parroting the guff that he got in his training courses), or you are the type who would view this student as a naive gullible fool.......whatever. I knew at the time where i was hanging my hat and I stopped doing business with this chap shortly thereafter.

P.S. In the same light, in a certain respect it could be argued that it is healthy for an individual to have had a stint of trouble with the law and the criminal justice system. Even at a very low level of black market activity, ones eyes can be truly opened to the fact that the pillars of law, order, and justice, don't actually function as things seems. Experiences with double crossing police informants, less than honest or even crooked police detectives, police surveillance and interogation techniques, a malfunctioning justice system, and the insidious cronieism that infests the whole system, I would suggest would serve to shatter the sheltered and unquestioning worldview that too many people seem to subscribe to.
 
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That's a lot of assumptions to make about someone based upon the 25 words I posted and in which I didn't give any technical reasoning or opinion regarding the OP. Congratulations are in order? I think?

I'm not entirely sure what you're rambling on about but two things to clarify.

1. I have no degree, I have very little faith in qualifications as I've had too many experiences of highly qualified people talking nonsense- this is especially true in relation to IT.

2. Are you no longer selling the hash and just smoking it ? ;)

If TPMs are compromised, frankly it's not going to affect 99.99999% of the population, the risk is tiny especially when compared to the risks around unpatched OS and applications.

The link in the OP is a bit alarmist, hardly unbiased - it's mentioning the refusal of the TPM companies to allow German companies to participate and frankly very light on actual detail.

Unlike some people above I know a lot of people who have TPMs in their home PCs, personally I'd still say the risks far outweigh the benefits of having it.
 
Halfmad said:
Unlike some people above I know a lot of people who have TPMs in their home PCs, personally I'd still say the risks far outweigh the benefits of having it.
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which appears in hardware built by Trusted Computing Group companies
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Who be them? what products are people buying with them installed?
 
Halfmad said:
That's a lot of assumptions to make about someone based upon the 25 words I posted and in which I didn't give any technical reasoning or opinion regarding the OP. Congratulations are in order? I think?

I'm not entirely sure what you're rambling on about but two things to clarify.
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Although I quoted yourself, my post was vaguely directed at the predominant attitude in here, where it seems that if anyone raises an eyebrow at any activity involving the ever increasing tendency for corporations/governments to give themselves access to personal information or devices, then they are attacked as being a tin foil hat man.

Of course, as history demonstrates, the mass populus has always generally behaved in a apathetic, spinelss, and above all else, in an ignorant manner in the face of pernicious social change. Today is no different and the attitudes of the majority here is no exception.
 
MatTheCat said:
Of course, as history demonstrates, the mass populus has always generally behaved in a apathetic, spinelss, and above all else, in an ignorant manner in the face of pernicious social change. Today is no different and the attitudes of the majority here is no exception.
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You and many others miss a crucial point. Have you ever thought the reason why so many don't have an interest is because they realise they can't do anything about it.
 
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You and many others miss a crucial point. Have you ever thought the reason why so many don't have an interest is because they realise they can't do anything about it.
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No, I haven't missed a point.

Most people aren't saying that. Most people are saying,

"EWOOOOWAHHEE......the Aliens are invading......AWHZOOEEE, I must protect myself from their evil brainwaves with my tinfoil hat!"

And the very least that a person can do on an individual level is at least be aware of how things are and the way that things are going and form an opinion on this basis, albeit whilst continuing to work for The Man and be perpetually indebted to the financial system etc etc. Individual opinion that in isolation is meaningless, can on the aggregate make a huge difference. Approximately 100 years ago the population of this nation was eagerly and voluntarily lining up to be gunned down in thier hundreds of thousands, with all the enthusiasm of a bunch of school boys going for a punch up with some rival gang. Think how individual attitudes towards the state and the established powers have changed, to the extent that such a repeat action today would be almost impossible to arrange. Of course again, society needed to take a thorough kick in the chops in order to instigate the destruction of the serf-mentality that had lingered right into the late industrial age. Probably we all need another hefty kick in the chops to snap us out of our 21st century indulgent consumerist self interested malaise, and most likely, this kick in the chops will come soon enough. It always does.

But in the meatime. Down with Windows 8 and its TPM, a gaping back passage for security services to pound like a beetch.
 
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Mat you really could do with being less up yourself and more concise, your answers are long, wandering and mostly off topic. You'll probably find more people actually agree with you as you tend to be fairly on the money.

Most people aren't ignoring it, they're going by the numbers - billions of devices on the net, fair number of Windows 8 devices, even fewer with TPMs and above all else most have nothing of value on their PCs for hackers and the government to care about. Hackers don't target people unless they've either got a grudge or something of value, that's why health organisations tend not to be targeted, but companies and celebrities are.

I agree people should take more notice, but it's the same daft mentality of robberies in the local neighbourhood -there's still a sense of "won't happen to me" and in most cases they're actually correct.
 
I've just upgraded to win7 from xp last week :P ...whats windows 8 anyway
Xp oh i miss you soo much ....It was emotional on that last shut down :P
 
Halfmad said:
Mat you really could do with being less up yourself and more concise, your answers are long, wandering and mostly off topic.
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I try to be precise, that is why my posts are long and wandering.

The development of technology that enables entities (whoever they may be) to have back door entry into a person personal computer, files, etc... is an eye raising and dangerous development. Anyone who shrugs it all off, because 'who would possibly be interested in them', fails to see the bigger picture nor understand the concept of 'emergent systems'. But like I said, many people on this thread (and on countless similar forum threads) aren't even taking that view. Instead they are attacking anyone who voices concern and supporting official company responses to implementation of said technology (which I admittedly know nothing about).
 
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