Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [1st - 4th February 2014]
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What the hell.
We weren't good, at all. How can he be happy with this rubbish. It doesn't matter if you've got amazing forward players if you keep letting bang average full backs cross the ball and when they aren't available, hoof it long.
I say again, I like Moyes but we've taken a huge gamble that he can adapt his mentality and become a ruthless winner, so far he's a long way from that target. I can take the odd loss against a team like Stoke, but we had better players almost man for man, and in some instances, massively better players. It's not as if Stoke relied on their midfield is it... we can stop blaming the midfield for some of this dross.
So frustrating.
These are Moyes' comments to Sky at least. http://www1.skysports.com/football/...oss-david-moyes-aggrieved-after-loss-at-stoke
The only clear chance we had was the goal, which Mata and RvP both handled well. Aside from that, all of the other opportunities were half chances at best, nothing really concrete.
How can he be happy with this. It's no good blaming luck and deflections, that can always happen in any game at any time. I've seen rubbish players smash them into the top corner from 35 yards before. What is he on about?! You have to make sure you've got a 2 goal cushion to protect against these risks, or at the very least defend well. Stoke had at least 2 or 3 other opportunities where they could have scrambled the ball in from a corner or free kick.
If we continue to play like this then things will need to be reviewed in the summer. If Moyes thinks he can get Kroos and Vidal without Champions League football, he's got another thing coming. As soon as there are murmurings of us setting up a deal, the oil clubs will be straight in there.
Bloody shambles.
BBC: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26001491
"Yes, Wayne went close but we also got to the byeline and cut things back three or four times without getting on the end of it, or picking anyone out in the box."
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I bet he thinks you won the passing too.These are Moyes' comments to Sky at least. http://www1.skysports.com/football/...oss-david-moyes-aggrieved-after-loss-at-stoke
The only clear chance we had was the goal, which Mata and RvP both handled well. Aside from that, all of the other opportunities were half chances at best, nothing really concrete.
How can he be happy with this. It's no good blaming luck and deflections, that can always happen in any game at any time. I've seen rubbish players smash them into the top corner from 35 yards before. What is he on about?! You have to make sure you've got a 2 goal cushion to protect against these risks, or at the very least defend well. Stoke had at least 2 or 3 other opportunities where they could have scrambled the ball in from a corner or free kick.
If we continue to play like this then things will need to be reviewed in the summer. If Moyes thinks he can get Kroos and Vidal without Champions League football, he's got another thing coming. As soon as there are murmurings of us setting up a deal, the oil clubs will be straight in there.
Bloody shambles.
BBC: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26001491
"Yes, Wayne went close but we also got to the byeline and cut things back three or four times without getting on the end of it, or picking anyone out in the box."
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He's been talking like a man out of his depth for a while and it's almost as if he's trying to convince people it's all going to plan in a last ditch attempt to keep his job.
9 points off 4th isn't the end of the world, if we win tomorrow, but 9 points off 4th with another 2 teams ahead of you achieving better results is going to be tough to recover from.
9 points off 4th isn't the end of the world, if we win tomorrow, but 9 points off 4th with another 2 teams ahead of you achieving better results is going to be tough to recover from.
Care to show me quotes where they say his training and tactics are antiquated. Interesting how this is becoming like chinese whispers.
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It's fine asking what we have to do to win. But why are we even asking that when we are 1-0 down. We should be learthering teams 4 and 5 to 1. One decision should be immaterial in 9 out of ten games. Look at our points, losses and goal difference and try to convince yourself something isn't broken.
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Wilf Zaha MOM today for Cardiff.
I am sure that cheered Moyes up no end.
I am sure that cheered Moyes up no end.
To start with Phil Jagielka said recently "This pre-season has been drastically different," said Jagielka, quoted in the Daily Star.
"Normally you're working a lot harder off the ball - you're running around and the balls rarely come out.
"But the new manager has different views. We've got to start to adapt now to the way he wants us to play."
Marouane Fellaini has also said that he had a "problem" with training at his new club, claiming that Moyes had increased the workload at his new club compared to that even at Everton.
This fits in with what Raymond Verheijen has said about the training regime that Moyes bought with him to United and further backed up by what Rio Ferdinand and Ryan Giggs are reported as stating about increased training schedules and the lack of regimes tailored to individuals and overtraining specially during preseason and immediately prior to and after match days.
Given the vastly increased injury issues at Utd, the apparent lack of stamina late in match time and energy levels peaking far earlier in matches than ever before, also the way in which Moyes admits himself that he has asked returning players to play through when perhaps that was not ideal, and increasing numbers of players having training ground injuries at Utd, I think that far from being Chinese whispers it is becoming self evident...
One source and another which broadly covers what I have said and a quick google will find pages of references confirming such opinions.
You can listen to Verheijen's interview here
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Where's the antiquated part, just out of interest?
I can see different but that's about it
It's just one source, in the actual spoken interview (which I cannot find) he talked about new techniques, modern tactical awareness and training schedules being bought in at Everton during the preseason as opposed to the old school principles employed by their former staff...within the others you can build a picture of the overall criticisms being made by multiple players and coaches. There is an example with regard to RVP where Alex Ferguson stated that he had no issues with RVP's fitness as both the Arsenal and Dutch fitness specialists had identified a regime which Manchester United can work with that uses new techniques...if we follow what coaches and players such as mentioned above has said then it appears that Moyes has decided against this...in any case, the tactics and fitness of the players themselves so far are a testament to those criticisms...whether you believe them or not.
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