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Shots fired! Nvidia gives its 2p on Mantle

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“We don’t know much about Mantle, we are not part of Mantle. And clearly if they see value there they should go for it. And if they can convince game developers to go for it, go for it. It’s not an Nvidia thing. The key thing is to develop great technologies that deliver benefits to gamers. Now in the case of Mantle it’s not so clear to me that there is a lot of obvious benefits there.” – Tom Petersen & Rev Lebaradian.
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http://wccftech.com/nvidia-finally-speaks-mantle-real-benefit-support/

Get your slides ready, coz here we go agaaaaaiiiinnnnnn! :D :cool:
 
As AMD can not get Mantle to work properly with their older cards it does not take much effort from the NVidia R&D team to realize it is going to be a non starter on their cards.
 
Shocker...it was blindingly obvious their stance would be just that.

"We don't need another industry API" isn't really that much of a corporate fob off if you're sensible about it. In fact if you did a vote, I'd imagine most end users would agree with that sentiment.

As NV overhead reducing drivers have shown even in games that currently support Mantle, optimisations can come from anywhere. You can scream the benefits of Mantle till you're blue in the face. There are reasons API haven't co-existed in the past, and they're still pretty relevant now.

NVPI next month. :p
 
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Interesting slide from the same article and regarding the nVidia statement, they were never going to say "We would love to have Mantle and look forward to working alongside AMD to get the industry moving forward" :D

One thing I notice is the benefit of Mantle and CF with 1080P. If you take games like Thief and compare the bench thread we have here, Mantle at 1080P with CF beats my Titans, but when the resolution goes up, Mantles advantage starts to lose out and my Titans take the lead and this is at 1440P. Not sure what gives with 4K, as nobody else has tested it, but I am sure in time we will see some 4K Red results.

I can sure see the benefits of Mantle and CF @ 1080P or Mantle coupled with a high end GPU and low end CPU.
 
Hardly a shots fired kind of statement, despite this it will no doubt cause a 2000 comment circle jerk involving the usuals.

Should be a TL;DR at the bottom saying "we do our thing and they do theirs"
 
garyfl said:
I LOVE how their marketing do these slides, you think wow ! look at the difference, thats like 40% faster!! look a alittle closer, it might as well go up in frames. I prefer honesty and transparency
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What is dishonest about it? I can clearly see that the 290X gets 55fps and the 780Ti gets 58 fps (probably 58.5).
 
Martini1991 said:
The scale of the bar chart is dishonest (But that's not exclusive to Nvidia)
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If they left out the numbers on the left, I would agree but nothing is missing and like any good chart, you have to look at numbers. Sure the scale is Green flavored but it certainly isn't dishonest and any good marketing would do the same and I expect to see the same from any marketing graph to make your product look better.
 
pgi947 said:
Hardly a shots fired kind of statement, despite this it will no doubt cause a 2000 comment circle jerk involving the usuals.

Should be a TL;DR at the bottom saying "we do our thing and they do theirs"
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It's actually quite obvious. Unlike AMD, Nvidia doesn't sell desktop CPU, so they don't have a stake in it. Though they didn't say it, their message is pretty much "You get CPU bottleneck in demanding/low-threaded games? Awww that's too bad, but why should we care? We are graphic manufactuer, so it's not our problem, it's up to MS to get this sorted out the high CPU overhead issue".

Not that I blame them for taking such a stance...considering it IS dx that's holding back the CPU performance the most and causing bottlenecks at the moment.
 
Noob question, Is it poosible especially seeing Nvidia's "wonder" drivers got more dx performance so to speak out of there gpus ,that Nvidia's drivers are already better threaded etc and have less bottleneck than AMD's drivers amd therefore mantle even if they wanted would infact have little to no impact anyway?
Seems to me even if they dont admit it someone like Nvidia would be able to reverse engineer how the mantle driver works and of already tryed it in some form on there gpu's
 
"We don’t know much about Mantle"
"Now in the case of Mantle it’s not so clear to me that there is a lot of obvious benefits there"

Well if I didn't know much about something then it wouldn't be clear or obvious to me either. Thye'll know exactly what mantle is and what the benefits are. You aren't really on top of your game in business if you don't understand what the opposition are doing and watching how the industry are receiving it. Nvidia pretty quick enough to understand AMD's stuff to get the FCAT frame time analyser to put them in a bad light. It was a politicians answer.
 
garyfl said:
I LOVE how their marketing do these slides, you think wow ! look at the difference, thats like 40% faster!! look a alittle closer, it might as well go up in frames. I prefer honesty and transparency
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Exactly! It's very misleading
 
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