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Except for those that cheat at Scrabble!!
So the death penalty....
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We've had this debate on the forum many times.
I'm 100% against it - we need to move forward as a society and this is a very draconian method of dealing with a problem.
Perfectly put.
I'm 100% against it - we need to move forward as a society and this is a very draconian method of dealing with a problem.
Perfectly put.
IIRC in the UK the death sentence lasted around 15 seconds from the cell door being opened to death (hanging)
as for cost - in the USA LWOP (life without paraole) costs around $35k a year - which makes for $1.7million over 50 years + court costs , which is comparable to the costs of a death sentence case.
unless the UK with draw from protocol 6 of the EU convention on human rights , we will never have it (labour signed us to it btw)
some facts for you :
beheading was an option in the UK until 1973
Arson of the royal docks was removed in 1971 (criminal damage act)
Capital Espionage was removed in 1981 from the death penalty list
Teason and piracy were removed from by the Crime and Disorder act 1998 from the death penalty list - the last civilian crimes which the death penalty could be used.
and finally:
2004 the UK signed protocol 13 of the convention of human righs - banning the death penalty.
if the UK were to return the death penalty , we would automatically leave the EU....
which makes the upcoming referendum about the EU a little more interesting.
my thoughts? its the ultimate deterrent , statistics aside (which are made up 60% of the time anyway)
as for cost - in the USA LWOP (life without paraole) costs around $35k a year - which makes for $1.7million over 50 years + court costs , which is comparable to the costs of a death sentence case.
unless the UK with draw from protocol 6 of the EU convention on human rights , we will never have it (labour signed us to it btw)
some facts for you :
beheading was an option in the UK until 1973
Arson of the royal docks was removed in 1971 (criminal damage act)
Capital Espionage was removed in 1981 from the death penalty list
Teason and piracy were removed from by the Crime and Disorder act 1998 from the death penalty list - the last civilian crimes which the death penalty could be used.
and finally:
2004 the UK signed protocol 13 of the convention of human righs - banning the death penalty.
if the UK were to return the death penalty , we would automatically leave the EU....
which makes the upcoming referendum about the EU a little more interesting.
my thoughts? its the ultimate deterrent , statistics aside (which are made up 60% of the time anyway)
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I'm pretty much against capital punishment.
People don't usually commit crimes like murder unless they either think they can get away with it (which makes the nature of the punishment much reduced as a deterrent) or its done in the heat of the moment again a situation where the nature of the punishment doesn't hold a lot of weight as a deterrent in many cases.
in the heat of the moment could be an accident which isn't murder , its manslaughter.
Well it's either this or literally making them live in isolation in their own ****. Conditions have got to be horrific, no beds etc.
I say use an old aircraft carrier, strip it, anchor it far out to sea (50 miles?). Put the worst of the worse on there. No need for guards. Air drop supplies once a week. If the yend up killing each other who cares? If they make a break for it and swim to shore they earned thier freedom.
I don't agree with how 'easy' they get it atm.
p.s. what the hell is this day release thing all about also? Swear I heard a murderer was granted day release a couple weeks back, and he killed again.. WTF?
This is another example last year: http//www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-24608144
I say use an old aircraft carrier, strip it, anchor it far out to sea (50 miles?). Put the worst of the worse on there. No need for guards. Air drop supplies once a week. If the yend up killing each other who cares? If they make a break for it and swim to shore they earned thier freedom.
I don't agree with how 'easy' they get it atm.
p.s. what the hell is this day release thing all about also? Swear I heard a murderer was granted day release a couple weeks back, and he killed again.. WTF?
This is another example last year: http//www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-24608144
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Point I was trying to get across is that sometimes murder is committed without really thinking it through and not always in a rational mind in which case the nature of the punishment doesn't act hugely as a deterrent if at all.
I honestly do not understand the need people seem to have for criminals to suffer in such an inhumane manner. The prison system exists to remove dangerous people from the public and to rehabilitate so that they do not reoffend in the event of their release, not as a way to exact revenge by causing further human suffering.
Got any stats to prove this? I can't see how giving convicted criminals (what seems to be) a "cushy number" with nice meals, Playstations etc. is in any way a deterrent from re-offending.
Deterrent does not work as shown time and again by the stats. Rehabilitation does work, however the stupid public calling for punishment does not induce a good rehabilitation program. Other countries especially Scandinavian ones, have very successful rehabilitation programs.
Prison should be public safety first, rehabilitation a close second and nothing else.
Should follow the science and the success. Not some stupid ideas about revenge, as that always works out so well.
Prison should be public safety first, rehabilitation a close second and nothing else.
Should follow the science and the success. Not some stupid ideas about revenge, as that always works out so well.
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Effective rehabilitation negates the need for such a deterrent - and I didn't say criminals should get a cushy number, that really is putting words in my mouth.
I just inferred it as you argued against inhumane conditions for prisoners. I wonder your (and others) opinion on prison becoming a 'home' for some criminals. Those on the outside who have nothing - no house, no meals - and steal/injure for their own gain who then go to prison and have an enjoyable life. What if they come out to their former life and then reoffend to be comfortable again?