Skylake or Haswell 5960x

mxoagentjohnson · 12 Sep 2015 at 23:51

I was debating recently on going all out and getting a 5960x build for my new video editing job, but decided to look into other options because it'll be mostly gaming aswell as video editing, and i want to be able to get a new 1440p monitor too, so heres my comparisons.

New idea:

Old idea:

(I already own the SLi 970s and the 760W Platinum PSU/Disc Drives and other HDD/SSDs)

What seems like a better long term investment? I currently run an i7 4790k & Asus Maximus Ranger so i'll be selling those on OR keeping them for a guest rig, not sure yet.

stulid · 12 Sep 2015 at 23:53

Hi,

I think going X99 (with a 5930K for example if you can get away with it) is a smart move.

X99 benefits from quad channel RAM so that needs to be changed.

The H110i GT is out of stock but is a much newer AIO.

mxoagentjohnson · 12 Sep 2015 at 23:55

stulid said:
Hi,

I think going X99 (with a 5930K for example) is a smart move.

X99 benefits from quad channel RAM so that needs to be changed.

The H110i GT is out of stock but is a much newer AIO.

What is the difference in ram channels? And is a 5930K overclocked to 4.5 possible on a 760w psu with sli 970s
?

No worries on the date of new shipments btw, i wont be ordering til i'm fully settled in new flat so next month hopefully.

stulid · 12 Sep 2015 at 23:58

RAM channels = larger bandwidth.

So instead of a two lane motorway you have a four lane highway so more traffic.

Yes 4.5Ghz shouldn't be any issue with a 5930K and a competent cooler.

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:00

Posted twice woops, snip/.

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:03

stulid said:
RAM channels = larger bandwidth.

So instead of a two lane motorway you have a four lane highway so more traffic.

Yes 4.5Ghz shouldn't be any issue with a 5930K and a competent cooler.

Mostly worried about 2 things really.

1/ Haswell getting outdated by skylake chips (I dont follow CPU's as much as GPU's so i dont know what is best to go for now to future proof incase i do a huge cpu upgrade one day.
2/Not having enough power on my PSU, i want to keep the psu at a minimum to save electricity (if it works that way but i'm not knowledgable on that field)

Could you perhaps recommend me a good x99 mobo, the 5930k and possibly leave much if not all the same other components minus the monitor? Or if you could recommend m a better watercooling for the cpu id appreciate it!

stulid · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:06

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel i7-5930K 3.50GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail (BX80648I75930K) £455.99
1 x Gigabyte X99-Gaming 5P Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard £229.99
1 x Samsung 500GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E500B/EU) £139.99
1 x Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Full Tower Case - Black £119.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H110i GT 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (CW-9060019-WW) £100.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (TPKD416GM2400HC16QC01) £79.99
Total : £1,126.94 (includes shipping : Ex.VAT).

I know its not exactly the same case (the other one is on other as per your first image and not the second image), but this case has 90% of the features and water cooling ability, it also has some external illumination (selectable).

Also a 128Gb SSD wont last seconds with modern games having huge install sizes.

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:09

stulid said:
YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel i7-5930K 3.50GHz (Haswell-E) Socket LGA2011-V3 Processor - Retail (BX80648I75930K) £455.99
1 x Gigabyte X99-Gaming 5P Intel X99 (Socket 2011) DDR4 ATX Motherboard £229.99
1 x Samsung 500GB 850 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 32 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-75E500B/EU) £139.99
1 x Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Full Tower Case - Black £119.99
1 x Corsair Hydro H110i GT 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler (CW-9060019-WW) £100.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (TPKD416GM2400HC16QC01) £79.99
Total : £1,126.94 (includes shipping : Ex.VAT).

I know its not exactly the same case (the other one is on other as per your first image and not the second image), but this case has 90% of the features and water cooling ability, it also has some external illumination (selectable).

Also a 128Gb SSD wont last seconds with modern games having huge install sizes.

My only concern with that is the TeamGroup RAM doesnt have an XMP profile? Would that make overclocking more difficult or? And i was hoping to get 8gb sticks to fit all 8 slots one day.

And no worries bout the SSD, i chose 128GB for a boot drive, i already have pre-existing 250 and 500GB ssds that i am going to put into this build.

Yea i am debating on the case because teh only appeal i have from the full enthro over the luxe is the outer design looks nicer to me

stulid · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:12

You are correct there, it doesnt (I think its only that kit) so getting the RAM to run at its rated speed wont be as easy as just popping into the BIOS and selecting the XMP profile and save+exit.

There are these,

YOUR BASKET
1 x Kingston Predator 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C15 3000MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (HX430C15PB2K4/16) £139.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C15 3000MHz Quad Channel Kit - Red (CMK16GX4M4B3000C15R) £129.95
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Quad Channel Kit - Red (TLRED416G3000HC16AQC01) £119.99
1 x Kingston Predator 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C12 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (HX424C12PB2K4/16) £109.99
1 x Kingston Fury Black 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (HX424C15FBK4/16) £99.95
Total : £599.87 (includes shipping : Ex.VAT).

Im 99.9% sure these all have XMP available.

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:22

stulid said:
You are correct there, it doesnt (I think its only that kit) so getting the RAM to run at its rated speed wont be as easy as just popping into the BIOS and selecting the XMP profile and save+exit.

There are these,

YOUR BASKET
1 x Kingston Predator 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C15 3000MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (HX430C15PB2K4/16) £139.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C15 3000MHz Quad Channel Kit - Red (CMK16GX4M4B3000C15R) £129.95
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Quad Channel Kit - Red (TLRED416G3000HC16AQC01) £119.99
1 x Kingston Predator 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C12 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (HX424C12PB2K4/16) £109.99
1 x Kingston Fury Black 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C15 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black (HX424C15FBK4/16) £99.95
Total : £599.87 (includes shipping : Ex.VAT).

Im 99.9% sure these all have XMP available.

How is this lookin? changed the mobo to match my existing MSI 970s and changed the ram to Quad Channel (prefer 8gb sticks)

I took off the SSD, the only reason i was gonna get it because my 250gb ssd has horrendous write speeds for some reason, 840 evo (developed a fault), compared to my 500gb 850 pro that has no issues so i wanted to replace the 250 for a boot drive.

And i might go with your case suggestion, but i prefer the look of the more expensive one (then again i rarely look at the case and could easy save money) just wanted lots of fan cooling options, does it come with ssd adapters and hdds adapters like its older brother?

stulid · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:25

Thats fine.

Your SSD is it on the latest firmware? I am again sure that the 840s had a bug with TRIM or some sort of garbage collection that crippled them over time but Samsung sorted with a a new firmware.

Edit, like this - http://www.anandtech.com/show/9196/samsung-releases-second-840-evo-fix

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:27

stulid said:
Thats fine.

Your SSD is it on the latest firmware? I am again sure that the 840s had a bug with TRIM or some sort of garbage collection that crippled them over time but Samsung sorted with a a new firmware.

Edit, like this - http://www.anandtech.com/show/9196/samsung-releases-second-840-evo-fix

Yea i went through all that but it wasnt anything to do with that, mine just had a fault and i tried rma'ing but no avail, so i dont want to rely on it anymore.

How easy is it to overclock? i've never personally done it outside of putting on intel boost

stulid · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:32

mxoagentjohnson said:
How easy is it to overclock? i've never personally done it outside of putting on intel boost

Its not hard, i know how to do it on the Gigabyte as ive done it in the past and also helped a user here - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18670276

There will be guides around the internet for ASUS and MSI etc, maybe not the same boards exactly but generally the BIOSes are close enough you can usually just copy the settings used.

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:33

stulid said:
Its not hard, i know how to do it on the Gigabyte as ive done it in the past and also helped a user here - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18670276

There will be guides around the internet for ASUS and MSI etc, maybe not the same boards exactly but generally the BIOSes are close enough you can usually just copy the settings used.

Cool i'll possibly post here when i get closer to doing it, just terrified i'll mess up.

Have any more suggestions on things that are better on haswell over skylake? besides quad ram

stulid · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:37

Going from i7 Haswell/Devils canyon to i7 Skylake isn't any meaningful gain, not like going to X99 and getting at least 2more cores (4threads) which will be a better gain for content creation.

The 5960X is 8cores (16threads) and beefier still.

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:39

stulid said:
Going from i7 Haswell/Devils canyon to i7 Skylake isn't any meaningful gain, not like going to X99 and getting at least 2more cores (4threads) which will be a better gain for content creation.

The 5960X is 8cores (16threads) and beefier still.

Mostly gonna be doing a lot more content creation due to new video editing job, couipled with my own personal content creation.

However, in games, would 6-8 cores do much difference? i heard windows 10 is more optimized for it and helps in some games too? I imagine in the long run as games utilize more it'll be amazing.

This is also gonna be my first water cooled CPU, do they need much maintanance?

stulid · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:41

I play BF4 a lot.

I have played Hainan resort using a i7 4790K and a 5960X.

When the sides of the Hotel come crashing down there's less frame rate drop on the X99 setup (but then the CPU is nearly a £800 so you expect it to be better right?).

Those water coolers are sealed for life, you may just want to blow the dust out of the radiator fins once a year or two.

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:43

stulid said:
I play BF4 a lot.

I have played Hainan resort using a i7 4790K and a 5960X.

When the sides of the Hotel come crashing down there's less frame rate drop on the X99 setup (but then the CPU is nearly a £800 so you expect it to be better right?).

Those water coolers are sealed for life, you may just want to blow the dust out of the radiator fins once a year or two.

Mostly lookin to be secure for the next few years aswell. Especially with Battlefront coming along, and games like GTA 5, Witcher 3 and others proving that processing power is a lot more important and with the new job.

Are the x99 mobos both x16 in sli?

stulid · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:51

mxoagentjohnson said:
Are the x99 mobos both x16 in sli?

They mostly are with a 5930K as it has extra PCI-E lanes over a 5820K, its one of those things where you need to go to the manufacturer website of the board and closely read the slot configuration.

mxoagentjohnson · 13 Sep 2015 at 00:54

stulid said:
They mostly are with a 5930K as it has extra PCI-E lanes over a 5820K, its one of those things where you need to go to the manufacturer website of the board and closely read the slot configuration.

I typically never use SLI because i never seem to need it (i dont use my gsync cause that aswell is broken in my acer

its why i want the asus rog swift)

However i'll most likely use it more when i get this as i'l have the rog swift and be nicer for FPS

Cheers for all your help. Really helped me pick the better option, hopefully some deals come out before i order it and save some money.