North Wales Police deliberately mow down dog

koolpc said:
You were there were you? You knew the alternatives etc?
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It's not rocket science. If it was a bigger animal the options would have been to hit it with a car and risk the lives of the officers or to close the road. As it was a smaller animal it was easier to kill it by running it over than to close the road.

There's always an option to close the road. Roads get closer all the time. Therefore the Police aren't correct when they say that was the only option.
 
Sagalout said:
It's not rocket science. If it was a bigger animal the options would have been to hit it with a car and risk the lives of the officers or to close the road. As it was a smaller animal it was easier to kill it by running it over than to close the road.

There's always an option to close the road. Roads get closer all the time. Therefore the Police aren't correct when they say that was the only option.
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Something a bit similar but with water.
About a month ago I was doing 70 mph at 2am in the morning on our A50 dual carriageway and suddenly came upon a massive puddle in the road. I was really lucky and just managed to get my car through it without crashing but if that had been during the day time the traffic would have been at a virtual standstill.
Somebody did get caught out and the road was shut for a while.

3am and normal traffic times are different.
 
Look at the end of the day what the old bill did was out of order, this is a civilised society, you don't go and run over a dog with the intention to kill it unless your life is danger, clearly the fog was in distress and if the police had a think for a few minutes then I'm sure there would have been others ways to deal with it, cordon off the area, call for back up, hell go to tescos and get a steak, ect,, we're talking about a small dog, not a pitbull or a wolf ect ect

I think the owner should sue the police, as I'm sure policies and procedures do not say to run over a dog until it's dead!!!
 
Sagalout said:
If it was a bigger animal the options would have been to hit it with a car and risk the lives of the officers or to close the road.
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Well no, the option to strike it with a vehicle wouldn't have existed at all. If it had been a horse or a cow or a rhinoceros then yes, the road would've likely been closed.

But it wasn't, it was a dog. The option presented itself under evidently quite unique circumstances (on the basis it's never happened before, to my knowledge) and so it was done in the interests of safety for road users.

If it makes you feel any better, it'd probably have been hit by a car even if the police hadn't been there.
 
hobib_ali said:
Look at the end of the day what the old bill did was out of order, this is a civilised society, you don't go and run over a dog with the intention to kill it unless your life is danger, clearly the fog was in distress and if the police had a think for a few minutes then I'm sure there would have been others ways to deal with it, cordon off the area, call for back up, hell go to tescos and get a steak, ect,, we're talking about a small dog, not a pitbull or a wolf ect ect

I think the owner should sue the police, as I'm sure policies and procedures do not say to run over a dog until it's dead!!!
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Maybe the dog had a suicide belt?
 
hobib_ali said:
Look at the end of the day what the old bill did was out of order, this is a civilised society, you don't go and run over a dog with the intention to kill it unless your life is danger, clearly the fog was in distress and if the police had a think for a few minutes then I'm sure there would have been others ways to deal with it, cordon off the area, call for back up, hell go to tescos and get a steak, ect,, we're talking about a small dog, not a pitbull or a wolf ect ect

I think the owner should sue the police, as I'm sure policies and procedures do not say to run over a dog until it's dead!!!
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Apologies but when I've had a drink I turn into a grammar Nazi and your post becomes invalid.
 
grimm said:
I doubt it would be easy to taser a dog. The voltage required would probably also be different to the standard version carried by our police. Tranquiliser darts may have been an option but again perhaps not readily available. The dog most likely would have been destroyed anyway after the incident.
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A police issued X26 taser will have the same effect on a dog as it will for a person providing the probes both connect but the problem you have with a dog is that as soon as you disengage the voltage the dog will become terrified and run taking the barbs and wires with it so you're back to the beginning or it will become a tad more hacked off and go for the nearest person which could be the taser officer.

I would suggest a continuous trigger pull on a dog with the high level of pain that goes with it is not humane. You have to have a contingency in place to secure the dog after the taser voltage is disengaged.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
I would suggest a continuous trigger pull on a dog with the high level of pain that goes with it is not humane.
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But you could leave it twitching on the floor for 45 minutes until the expert Dog Handler gets there or a Vet and it would still be alive satisfying all the hippies.
You Cops don't think these things through.
 
Why's it such a long and complicated process for the cops to close an A road, anyway?
My streetworks contractors can do it in about four minutes with one van and two blokes...
 
ttaskmaster said:
Why's it such a long and complicated process for the cops to close an A road, anyway?
My streetworks contractors can do it in about four minutes with one van and two blokes...
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I'm guessing that your contractors do it when it's been planned in advance and mainly during the day? (possibly not arterial routes with little or no easy alternative routes as well).

The police tend to get a lot of pressure and complaints about closing roads, and at 3am in the morning I'm guessing that you need more than a couple of guys and a van to do it safely whilst still keeping an eye on the dog.
 
Werewolf said:
I'm guessing that your contractors do it when it's been planned in advance and mainly during the day? (possibly not arterial routes with little or no easy alternative routes as well).

The police tend to get a lot of pressure and complaints about closing roads, and at 3am in the morning I'm guessing that you need more than a couple of guys and a van to do it safely whilst still keeping an eye on the dog.
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Why do posters have to give sensible answers?

My theory is this theory.
One of the Coppers keeps his eye on the dog while the other Copper runs up the dual carriageway about 200 yards and flags down the first two vehicles who then block the road off with flashing warning lights.
Those drivers run up the road warning other drivers to slow down.
The Copper then does exactly the same thing the other side - simple.
They can then wait 1 hour for a fox hound handler with a tranq gun and hope it doesn't run off.
Things can be done very easily.
 
Werewolf said:
I'm guessing that your contractors do it when it's been planned in advance and mainly during the day? (possibly not arterial routes with little or no easy alternative routes as well).
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In an ideal world, sure... but it's more often any road, any time, usually as an emergency closure and with a few thousand cubic metres of water a second gushing down it. Diversions are often a luxury and if needs be, we deal with that once the main area is cordoned off.
We recently shut both sides of the Victoria Embankment, but that was just as much a pleasure as it was an urgent response.

Werewolf said:
I'm guessing that you need more than a couple of guys and a van to do it safely whilst still keeping an eye on the dog.
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If it was that much of a concern, I'd think they'd focus on shutting the road first and worrying about the dog thereafter.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Why do posters have to give sensible answers?

My theory is this theory.
One of the Coppers keeps his eye on the dog while the other Copper runs up the dual carriageway about 200 yards and flags down the first two vehicles who then block the road off with flashing warning lights.
Those drivers run up the road warning other drivers to slow down.
The Copper then does exactly the same thing the other side - simple.
They can then wait 1 hour for a fox hound handler with a tranq gun and hope it doesn't run off.
Things can be done very easily.
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Sounds simple doesn't it.

You actually tried to flag down vehicles on a main A class dual carriageway trunk-road at 3am in the morning? The cars are travelling at 70mph. Good luck in standing in their way to stop them. Where do you want the flowers sending for your Funeral?

You would try to put a rolling block on - far safer. Problem is you need additional resources to do that. A lot of people here simply do not realise how few Officers will be on in that area during the night. You definitely would not be using members of the public to close down a road of that size and speed at night.

Police Dog Handlers do not carry tranquiliser guns. Neither do Local Authority Dog Wardens or in fact Police Firearms Units. This isn't Daktari.

Lastly, someone I think touched on it above, there is tremendous pressure on Police to reopen roads. Closing the main link road between Holyhead and the Northwest of England for 1 hour would cost a fortune. The loads coming off at Holyhead into Wales aren't really the problem, it's the stuff going the other way into Ireland. Miss the Ferry and it can be quite a wait.
 
Andy90 said:
Sounds simple doesn't it.

You actually tried to flag down vehicles on a main A class dual carriageway trunk-road at 3am in the morning? The cars are travelling at 70mph. Good luck in standing in their way to stop them. Where do you want the flowers sending for your Funeral?

You would try to put a rolling block on - far safer. Problem is you need additional resources to do that. A lot of people here simply do not realise how few Officers will be on in that area during the night. You definitely would not be using members of the public to close down a road of that size and speed at night.

Police Dog Handlers do not carry tranquiliser guns. Neither do Local Authority Dog Wardens or in fact Police Firearms Units. This isn't Daktari.

Lastly, someone I think touched on it above, there is tremendous pressure on Police to reopen roads. Closing the main link road between Holyhead and the Northwest of England for 1 hour would cost a fortune. The loads coming off at Holyhead into Wales aren't really the problem, it's the stuff going the other way into Ireland. Miss the Ferry and it can be quite a wait.
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

Seriously :eek:
 
Teknobry said:
can't believe so much fuss over this. An out of control dog which has bitten someone and is at serious risk of causing a traffic accident. some quick thinking by the police to stop it and the country loses its mind!
if that dog had caused a crash i wonder if these same people would be as sympathetic.
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But those people shoudn't have been on the road at that time! Its their own fault they got killed! Dog can't help being aggressive and biting people can it! :p
 
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