Everyone calm down : It is amazing how short memories are

[Bluntwrapped]

The way I see it.. If the 1080 isn't 50% faster than a 980ti then what is the point.

4k single card 60fps or **** off Nvidia.

 

[Ian Evey]

Oh but they DID hold back the big chip, even if not due to that, but they did it in the form of "holding back the release time from the mainstream" by launching the Titan line, to further delay the launch of fat 80 card

At least Titan and Titan Black had the excuse of for compute purpose, but the Titan X is just glorified double-memory 980Ti.

Every card made has a gamer that wants it, whether that is a 660 or 7870 or a fury x or titan x, amd and nvidia are just filling that part of the market.

People are always willing to pay more for exactly what they want and if the titan x is worth it to some then ģreat for them.

Your opinion of the titan x is probably similar to mine. Overpriced! And not required. Other people would not buy anything else including the 980ti.

 

[Silent_Scone]

The hype is real, i've seen some solid numbers validated. Conventionally up to 1.5x faster in games and 2x faster in VR.


I possibly just made that up - or I didn't. This message is an illusion.

 

[Mauller]

The hype is real, i've seen some solid numbers validated. Conventionally up to 1.5x faster in games and 2x faster in VR.


I possibly just made that up - or I didn't. This message is an illusion.

Maybe it is a ...dillusion.

But yeah, the majority of the 1080 numbers are VR related situation where they are using single pass rendering and Multi projection methods on the 1080 cards, meaning the 1080 has to do less work per frame in comparison to the older cards.

 

[Catanonia]

Maybe it is a ...dillusion.

But yeah, the majority of the 1080 numbers are VR related situation where they are using single pass rendering and Multi projection methods on the 1080 cards, meaning the 1080 has to do less work per frame in comparison to the older cards.

Yes if they are CODED for it, which all games are not as it is new.

 

[melmac]

Oh but they DID hold back the big chip, even if not due to that, but they did it in the form of "holding back the release time from the mainstream" by launching the Titan line, to further delay the launch of fat 80 card

At least Titan and Titan Black had the excuse of for compute purpose, but the Titan X is just glorified double-memory 980Ti.

They had no part to hold back, that's the point. I still reckon it was just an accident that worked out well for them and since it worked, they have stuck with it.

I agree with you about the TitanX, I wouldn't even go far as to say glorified, it's just a 980Ti with 12GB of VRam.

And now they have taken it one step further with the Founder edition cards.

 

[dragos1977]

These topics are becoming boring tbh......in a few years oled will come around and all will want to drive thise monitors and for sure next big cards will be garbage fir that......and we start the cicle all over again)))

 

[Jono8]

The way I see it.. If the 1080 isn't 50% faster than a 980ti then what is the point.

4k single card 60fps or **** off Nvidia.

Um, you talk like everyone owns a 980Ti. The vast majority of gamers on the previous gen own a 960 or 970.

Even if it is only 30% faster than a 980Ti (looks that way so far), that is still a nice upgrade, especially considering how cool it apparently runs and the low 185w tdp.

Also, if the 1070 is indeed faster than a Titan X that will be a great card for anyone not on a 980Ti to upgrade to for just over £300.

Everyone considers the 980Ti as loads better than the 980 even though it is only ~30% faster. But apparently if the 1080 is 30% faster than the 980Ti it will be a huge disappointment.

 

[Gregster]

OK then if I was wrong on "all parts", please do explain why we now have the same pattern of always having to wait for the release of Titan card first, before we can get hold of the fat 80/80Ti card for the pass few gen? (and it's is quite scary how some people have now accepted it as the norm).

So you genuinely think NVidia would wait a year to launch the real "high end" card? Why didn't AMD release the 290X instead of the 7970 first? Why didn't AMD or NVidia launch the Titan X/Fury X instead of the 7970/680 first? You have some bizzare way of looking at things.

ohhh and also to clarify why I said you was wrong on all parts, the Titan X has 3072 cores, whilst the 980Ti has 2816 cores, so you couldn't even get that basic thing correct

 

[Marine-RX179]

So you genuinely think NVidia would wait a year to launch the real "high end" card? Why didn't AMD release the 290X instead of the 7970 first? Why didn't AMD or NVidia launch the Titan X/Fury X instead of the 7970/680 first? You have some bizzare way of looking at things.

ohhh and also to clarify why I said you was wrong on all parts, the Titan X has 3072 cores, whilst the 980Ti has 2816 cores, so you couldn't even get that basic thing correct

Nothing bizarre about the way of my think. Let's face it, AMD can never complete with or come close to Nvidia, if Nvidia was serious about it instead of dip-feeding just enough extra performance for their card.

AMD has always been playing catch up, and they have done with 7970 and 290x...but that's partly because Nvidia doesn't need go all out against them. Even if AMD shift same number of cards on the 7970 and 290x as 680 and 780, they still loses due to the higher manufacture cost thus much less profit margin. Nvidia know it would only hurt their sale in the next gen, if they release a card that is too fast (learning the lesson from the 8800 series going onto 9800 series).

As for what I said about Titan card, you knew what I meant when I said with it glorified 980Ti, as I was referring to how it was basically a gaming card wearing s Titan jacket...but it doesn't make any difference to the key point I was making, which was the 'Titan branding card held back the release of the mainstream fat 80 card'.

 

[dits]

The funniest thing would be if the cards actually only have 7.5GB

 

[Gregster]

Nothing bizarre about the way of my think. Let's face it, AMD can never complete with or come close to Nvidia, if Nvidia was serious about it instead of dip-feeding just enough extra performance for their card.

AMD has always been playing catch up, and they have done with 7970 and 290x...but that's partly because Nvidia doesn't need go all out against them. Even if AMD shift same number of cards on the 7970 and 290x as 680 and 780, they still loses due to the higher manufacture cost thus much less profit margin. Nvidia know it would only hurt their sale in the next gen, if they release a card that is too fast (learning the lesson from the 8800 series going onto 9800 series).

As for what I said about Titan card, you knew what I meant when I said with it glorified 980Ti, as I was referring to how it was basically a gaming card wearing s Titan jacket...but it doesn't make any difference to the key point I was making, which was the 'Titan branding card held back the release of the mainstream fat 80 card'.

What evidence do you have that they held back the Titan or is it just a gut feeling? And no, you stated "but the Titan X is just glorified double-memory 980Ti." which I explained why it wasn't and you either posted that because you didn't know or posted it for a reaction.

The funniest thing would be if the cards actually only have 7.5GB

That would be hilarious wouldn't it?

 

[queamin]

Greg, some think they can release a 500-600 monster die on a new process like it was nothing it makes me laugh, only reason the P100 can be done is the crazy prices they will charge.

 

[Ian Evey]

The funniest thing would be if the cards actually only have 7.5GB

It would be funny if nvidia didn't make it known, But it wouldn't be funny if they said it has 7.5gb from the reviews, Infact would 7.5gb stop anyone buying one, I doubt it.

 

[Gregster]

Greg, some think they can release a 500-600 monster die on a new process like it was nothing it makes me laugh, only reason the P100 can be done is the crazy prices they will charge.

Yer, there is a few here who are clued up and know you can't just go straight in with the big chips. I actually remember reading an article in PCFormatt (man I miss that mag) when the 680 launched and they were talking about the GK100 and how it would be sweet as a gaming GPU but it would be so hot and power hungry plus getting high clocks would be nigh on impossible.... An interesting read back then but a year later, Titan was launched and power hungry and hot but 1200Mhz clocks were generally achieved everywhere

 

[beany_bot]

The funniest thing would be if the cards actually only have 7.5GB

LOL - try this for size. (translate to eng obviously)
https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2016/05/geforce-gtx-1070-7-5gb-memoria-se-repite-la-historia/

 

[LoadsaMoney]

That would be hilarious wouldn't it?

The amount going back with the extra cash for the 1080s would be

 

[Marine-RX179]

What evidence do you have that they held back the Titan or is it just a gut feeling? And no, you stated "but the Titan X is just glorified double-memory 980Ti." which I explained why it wasn't and you either posted that because you didn't know or posted it for a reaction.

I didn't say they held back the Titan, I said release of mainstream fat 80 card become further delayed due to simple fact of Titan line has been introduced, and now established its footing.

The Titan line for gamers is pretty like (more or less) fat 80 with early adapter tax in a sense (with extra ram thrown in for justification).

 

[Bluntwrapped]

Um, you talk like everyone owns a 980Ti. The vast majority of gamers on the previous gen own a 960 or 970.

Even if it is only 30% faster than a 980Ti (looks that way so far), that is still a nice upgrade, especially considering how cool it apparently runs and the low 185w tdp.

Also, if the 1070 is indeed faster than a Titan X that will be a great card for anyone not on a 980Ti to upgrade to for just over £300.

Everyone considers the 980Ti as loads better than the 980 even though it is only ~30% faster. But apparently if the 1080 is 30% faster than the 980Ti it will be a huge disappointment.

It'll not be a huge disappointment by any means. My feelings don't sum up everyone else's nor do my needs. Maybe the price is low for a reason, maybe pascal has enormous potential to be shown later, maybe they'll later release a card that'll make the 1070 seem like terrible value in comparison. Who knows, its all speculation.

 

[triss]

Personally wont be surprised if the 1070 has like 7GB of fast ram and 1gb of slow ram like the 970 effect.