Brexit thread - what happens next

[Caged]

I wouldn't bet on it. If the government dilly-dally with A50 then UKIP could see quite a boost in voters come the GE.

I'd rather they supported UKIP than see a rise in the far-right.

 

[phil675]

UKIP are dead and buried after this as they have become unnecessary now we have voted out.

Hmm not really, if by the next GE serious steps have not been taken to leave the EU we will be having these same discussions over and over. At the moment it hinges on who the next leader of the Conservatives will be, which is a slightly ridiculous state of affairs.

 

[a1ex2001]

Some things will remain but we can have full control over rules of settlement.

No more mooching to be had.

You come here, you become one of us ....chip in and you get passported up asap.

Not going to lie, hearing some immigrants complain that they've been here for 15 years and are worried but never bothered to apply for citizenship.....

If I lived anywhere for that long it would surely be considered home by now.

Not biting

 

[Gilly]

I'd rather they supported UKIP than see a rise in the far-right.

You don't see UKIP as far right?

 

[phil675]

You don't see UKIP as far right?

Centre-right really, they are the conservative party without Blairites.

 

[Caged]

You don't see UKIP as far right?

I think there's a further right that could gain popularity. UKIP aren't out-and-out fascists at the moment, even if Farage seems to have tendencies (if that letter from his school days is to be believed).

 

[wildman]

The situation was that a bad employer got rid of a staff member that complained about pay and replaced them with someone who would work for less. At the heart of it, that isn't an immigration issue, it's an employment issue.

When it is portrayed as an example of immigration going wrong as opposed to an example of employee rights going wrong then it's done to pit the working classes against each other.

exactly, it's divide and conquer and the Tories have really suckered everyone in, along with support from the usual rags like the mail and the sun. It points the finger at immigrants because that is far easier than actually trying to implement employment reforms. That whole rush to the bottom just got a little bit quicker and the working class will suffer due to their own hands because this time they can't even blame the ultra right wing tory government we are about to get, because they effectively put them there.

 

[phil675]

I think there's a further right that could gain popularity.

I think we would see that if we had not had the referendum now. These alleged xenophobic incidents would have boiled over to outright violence in say 5 years time with no referendum and no hope of change.

 

[Mauller]

You don't see UKIP as far right?

UKIP is certainly not far right. Some of the people that may have joined them might have been, but not the party as a whole.

When you think far right you consider BNP and EDL.

They like to label UKIP as Populist right, but the funny thing about the term populist, is that it essentially means they listen to the problems of the people.

 

[dowie]

You don't see UKIP as far right?

They seem to have some far right people as their supporters and in their membership too (perhaps because actual far right parities aren't very successful) however their policies aren't exactly far right.

 

[Naff8000]

Hmm not really, if by the next GE serious steps have not been taken to leave the EU we will be having these same discussions over and over. At the moment it hinges on who the next leader of the Conservatives will be, which is a slightly ridiculous state of affairs.

The whole of Westminster is a ridiculous state of affairs. People say the politicians don't represent them. We need a sunburnt skinhead chanting engerland to be our next PM.

 

[Gilly]

Perhaps I'm coloured in my view of them due to localised issues. UKIP is directly synonymous with EDL/BNP/NF/BF around here.

 

[Greebo]

Perhaps I'm coloured in my view of them due to localised issues. UKIP is directly synonymous with EDL/BNP/NF/BF around here.

Same where I live

 

[Mauller]

Perhaps I'm coloured in my view of them due to localised issues. UKIP is directly synonymous with EDL/BNP/NF/BF around here.

The media also demonise them since they are gaining enough support to be a threat to the major parties now.

 

[Gilly]

That is just the media demonising them since they are gaining enough support to be a threat to the major parties now.

No it isn't.

 

[Caged]

I think we would see that if we had not had the referendum now. These alleged xenophobic incidents would have boiled over to outright violence in say 5 years time with no referendum and no hope of change.

I think we will see it anyway when life doesn't get any easier for those people over the next decade.

 

[Mauller]

No it isn't.

Edited my post before your reply, but what do they say about them in your area then?

 

[Greebo]

I think we will see it anyway when life doesn't get any easier for those people over the next decade.

Sadly i can see the same as well.

Even if we leave the EU, the freedom of movement in place will tip them over the age on toip of years of austerity, high unemployment, raising food prices etc.

 

[Jono8]

The whole of Westminster is a ridiculous state of affairs. People say the politicians don't represent them. We need a sunburnt skinhead chanting engerland to be our next PM.

and god forbid that they are well educated and went to good schools! Don't want people with a good education running things..

 

[Mauller]

and god forbid that they are well educated and went to good schools! Don't want people with a good education running things..

going to a good school and being 'well educated' is not synonymous with being intelligent though.