Brexit thread - what happens next

[scorza]

That word you keep using, I don't think you understand what it means.

It means being overly emotional, which is an accurate description of quite a few remain posters in this thread.

I think your confusing my point. I was merely using satire to point out how the government are supposed to implement brexit in the leave campaigns form when clearly its clearly impossible

Why is it impossible? Vote Leave couldn't produce a detailed plan because they were denied access to government resources that would let them come up with one (unlike the SNP in the Scottish referendum). This was a calculated risk by Cameron and Osborne so that they could hit Vote Leave with the "can't say what Britain would look like outside the EU" argument.

 

[Greebo]

She cleverly dodges question like all politicians when asked about freedom of movement she said she believes we will have tariff free trade with the EU without freedom of movement. Note the selective' tariff free trade' that could be satisfied by a single agreement to let us export goats testicles without tariff she didn't dare say we would get access to the free trade area without freedom of movement.

I thought she had made it clear there EEA or similar wasnt even on the table for her.

Leadsom rejected claims that the UK should pursue single market membership, and said in response that 80% of the world's economy, and most EU free trade deals, are not even within the single market. She also said that the UK economy is too large to need the single market, but is being hindered by the extreme slowness of EU trade procedures

So there will be freedom of movement and no EEA trade deal or similar. Basically its just WTO tariffs.

 

[spoffle]

It means being overly emotional, which is an accurate description of quite a few remain posters in this thread.

I don't think you know what accurate means either

 

[a1ex2001]

I thought she had made it clear there EEA or similar wasnt even on the table for her.



So there will be freedom of movement and no EEA trade deal or similar. Basically its just WTO tariffs.

Love to know how she is going to get Tariff free trade with Europe then, seems like a pipe dream to me!

 

[TechMinerUK]

Love to know how she is going to get Tariff free trade with Europe then, seems like a pipe dream to me!

She wont, that's how

 

[Freakbro]

I love the way Boris comes out with a little jingoistic buzzword, like 'Independence Day' or 'Hysteria' and all the free thinking, not influenced by MSM, non-sheeple just happen to use the same buzz word for days after...

 

[Greebo]

Love to know how she is going to get Tariff free trade with Europe then, seems like a pipe dream to me!

As said above, she only needs one product to be tariff free with the EU and she has kept her promise.

She is firmly in favour of control of borders over any trade deals. SHe was when she was campaigning and she still is now.

If that comes at the cost of a few years of financial downturn then so be it.

In fact if you read up on her speeches and interviews she is more inline with the UKIP policies than any Tory policies. She is in the wrong party tbh.

But she wouldnt have had a shot at PM if she had defected to UKIP though.

 

[wildman]

As said above, she only needs one product to be tariff free with the EU and she has kept her promise.

She is firmly in favour of control of borders over any trade deals. SHe was when she was campaigning and she still is now.

If that comes at the cost of a few years of financial downturn then so be it.

In fact if you read up on her speeches and interviews she is more inline with the UKIP policies than any Tory policies. She is in the wrong party tbh.

But she wouldnt have had a shot at PM if she had defected to UKIP though.

but dem tariff free goats testicles will be a massive hit with the voodoo posse...........

 

[Greebo]

but dem tariff free goats testicles will be a massive hit with the voodoo posse...........

Yeah and throw in the fact she is saying that EU citizens here and abroad are still open to negotiations is worry as well.

Perhaps she is planning to threatening that we kick everybody our unless the EU gives us some free trade tariffs?

Does that mean Freefaller will have to go back to France?

 

[Crpwned]

I love the way Boris comes out with a little jingoistic buzzword, like 'Independence Day' or 'Hysteria' and all the free thinking, not influenced by MSM, non-sheeple just happen to use the same buzz word for days after...

Please stop pointing out the irony, you're embarassing them

Vote Leave couldn't produce a detailed plan because they were denied access to government resources that would let them come up with one (unlike the SNP in the Scottish referendum). This was a calculated risk by Cameron and Osborne so that they could hit Vote Leave with the "can't say what Britain would look like outside the EU" argument.

So it was an elaborate plan by them to show that the leave team had no plan? Mmk.

 

[Skunkworks]

I love the way Boris comes out with a little jingoistic buzzword, like 'Independence Day' or 'Hysteria' and all the free thinking, not influenced by MSM, non-sheeple just happen to use the same buzz word for days after...

I love the way we voted to Leave.

 

[n111ck]

I love the way Boris comes out with a little jingoistic buzzword, like 'Independence Day' or 'Hysteria' and all the free thinking, not influenced by MSM, non-sheeple just happen to use the same buzz word for days after...

It was mentioned before Boris and will keep being mentioned because it's perfect.

Or at least until the mods add it to the list of banned words that upset the more sensitive on here.

 

[joeyjojo]

Good luck to the UKs 20 trade negotiators over the next months and years. Wouldn't want their jobs.

 

[estebanrey]

I love the way Boris comes out with a little jingoistic buzzword, like 'Independence Day' or 'Hysteria' and all the free thinking, not influenced by MSM, non-sheeple just happen to use the same buzz word for days after...

I love how you don't know what jingoism is.

 

[Crpwned]

I love how you don't know what jingoism is.

Isn't it a belief that your country is always best? So using that definition wouldn't a phrase like that (Independence Day) be correct in being 'Jingoistic' in that context?
I'm no linguist but that seems appropriate, but could be wrong.

 

[joeyjojo]

I love how you don't know what jingoism is.

jingoism ‎(countable and uncountable, plural jingoisms)
1. (uncountable) Excessive patriotism or aggressive nationalism, especially with regards to foreign policy.

'Independence day' is one, depending on your point of view.

Not sure what this 'hysteria' everyone is referring to is though.

 

[Mulder]

Why so much about the governments plan, he was the one in the front and should have been the one backing up leave with solid ideas on the future. The current government should have a plan for the interim period (Which they appear to have) but as far as the ultimate future is concerned the ball was in his court as far as I can see.

The government had a clear position on the referendum - Remain. Just as with the Scottish referendum, it's for those arguing for the alternative position to come up with a clear vision of what the alternative they're arguing for looks like. Instead we got a mixture of lies and unicorn-wishes and, as is abundantly obvious now, now a single one of the significant Leave leaders has a clue what to do next.

Seriously? The referendum was to stop Tory voters switching to UKIP so Dave could win the general election - everyone knows that. Unfortunately the government's confidence that people would decide based on the facts proved to be somewhat misplaced.

If you want some outline plans for how Brexit can be implemented here we go:

• Flexcit - The Market Solution to leaving the EU (429 pages)
  [*]A road map for British exit from the European Union (73 pages)
• The Route to the UK’s global prosperity through International Networks (89 pages)
• Britain outside the European Union (140 pages)
• The plan to leave the European Union by 2020 (60 pages)
• Britain Revitalised and Independence Regained (60 pages)

It's all very well shouting "you've got no plan" but given this is a unprecedented negotiation, it's impossible to say exactly where we will end up. There is of course an element of unknown which you have to accept. There are detailed roadmaps as above, but no-one can claim to know where we will land after a period of negotiations, just like in business you don't know where you will finish if you enter a bidding war, there's an element of risk.

Also, just because the Government campaigned for one side does not mean they shouldn't have a plan for alternative outcome. They ultimately gave us the referendum and should have planned for both outcomes. Of course Dave, despite telling us i) We would leave if he didn't get a good deal and ii) Saying he'd stay on even if he lost the vote, went back on both promises and quit immediately adding a leadership contest into the mix. If the Government wasn't serious about there being a choice on the table, then they shouldn't have called the referendum in the first place. Clearly they expected to win, but that doesn't mean you don't have an alternative in place in case you don't.

 

[n111ck]

'Independence day' is one, depending on your point of view.

Not sure what this 'hysteria' everyone is referring to is though.

The 'contagious mourning' of remain supporters on here.

 

[estebanrey]

Isn't it a belief that your country is always best? So using that definition wouldn't a phrase like that (Independence Day) be correct in being 'Jingoistic' in that context?
I'm no linguist but that seems appropriate, but could be wrong.

No, it's about supporting aggressive foreign policies.

 

[Vengance]

A friend of mine giving his views.. worth a listen.

Warning.. he is scottish (but not for independence)