US University offers counselling to students after Sombreros worn at Tequila Party
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I've had a drink tonight and I'm struggling to reply to all that on this laggy phone, so not today.
One thing I will say though, is that having a hole in your ear doesn't change the fact that it is still an ear. It doesn't suddenly become a toe or something else just because you've decided to change it. And that is what I think of sex.
One thing I will say though, is that having a hole in your ear doesn't change the fact that it is still an ear. It doesn't suddenly become a toe or something else just because you've decided to change it. And that is what I think of sex.
So if somone has facial skin grafts is thier face now an arse or a thigh?
Their face is a face.
But it's changed, which you said is impossible. It wasn't a "natural" change either, so you don't have that fallback position. Their face is now partially made with skin taken from their arse or their thigh. So why don't you regard it as an arse or a thigh? The idea that change is impossible is the core of your argument.
It's possible to change cells of one type into another type. Here's one example: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/284377.php
So what if a person lost a toe and had it replaced with cells taken from their earlobe and reprogrammed into being all the cells needed for a toe? Would you regard that toe as still being an earlobe?
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That's a stupid analogy because is sex is determined from a number of factors some of which aren't actually qualitative being shaped by the society that one is when making the judgement. It's not singular binary issue so to pretend it is is plain wrong.
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what the **** happened to this thread?
It was the analogy used by the person I was replying to. I think they're wrong, so I answered them on their own terms.
I'd like to know which aspects of sex you think are shaped by society. Gender is, obviously, but sex is biological so I don't immediately see how it's shaped by society. Perception of certain physical traits...maybe.
And what is classed as a secondary sexual characteristic has changed through time and has been shaped by society. Now people may say those are not major determining factors and that's true. But if you look on from the works of Money and the implementation of say gender reassignment subsequently, for example the papers of Ransley in this country, then actually sex and gender were both determined and presented as what would fit in with societal expectations and that includes its bias. So sex isn't purely biological - there is still a component that hangs over from gender they aren't two discrete entities. Eg let's say you had someone with mutated CYP21A/CYP21P then even though they would be technically XX then traditionally no-one would have known that - they'd be classed as male in both gender and sex - now go back a bit and the sociological research of Money would have then decreed we would label both sex and gender to female whereas now we classify differently. Those definitions are down to societies perceptions of what construes male and female in both gender and sex. Excess androgens would cause things to be ambiguous for primary characteristics and gross anatomy but if you were to tick off the rest of the defining sexual characteristics the overwhelming impression would be male not female irrespective of the XX and that has nothing to do with SRY really and takes place on 6p21.3. Society has changed to value the science more has it not - it could have done that before could it because they didn't even know what a gene was or how to determine it. Over time hopefully society will refine and accept things a bit more then we won't see the outdated and frankly idiotic things some people have posted in this thread.
(And I know you didn't make that analogy I was just saying it was a pointless one.)
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That is my new word "Eh duck, I feel proper triggered".
You said it yourself, "skin taken from", you're taking "skin" from, you're not severing his whole arse off and stitching it onto his neck now are you?
Again, you've said it yourself. "cells taken from", you're not growing an actual earlobe and then sticking it in the location where a toe would be.
You know what? I don't think I've ever felt "triggered", I'm a grown-up and I can deal with stuff like an adult!
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One of my trans friends went to a trans support group and was told by several of them she was triggering as she was passable
One had a beared and refused to shave as it was "following unhealthy beauty standards" then equally conplained people didnt think they where trans/a woman/coupdnt pass because they have a god damn beard
One had a beared and refused to shave as it was "following unhealthy beauty standards" then equally conplained people didnt think they where trans/a woman/coupdnt pass because they have a god damn beard
well these days I thought people were supposed to be avoiding gender stereotypes
why can't a trans woman carry on dressing in 'males' clothes even and in day to day life still look like a man if that is what she wants, would probably make things easier - no stranger need ever know that she is secretly trans
I mean this bearded type presumably still adheres to these beauty standards in other ways like dressing in 'female' clothing or perhaps wearing eye liner or makeup else how else does someone know she is trans in the first place, the beard is seemingly just an inconsistent approach to embracing some female beauty standards but neglecting others out of laziness or in order to make a point or perhaps a combination of both
why can't a trans woman carry on dressing in 'males' clothes even and in day to day life still look like a man if that is what she wants, would probably make things easier - no stranger need ever know that she is secretly trans
I mean this bearded type presumably still adheres to these beauty standards in other ways like dressing in 'female' clothing or perhaps wearing eye liner or makeup else how else does someone know she is trans in the first place, the beard is seemingly just an inconsistent approach to embracing some female beauty standards but neglecting others out of laziness or in order to make a point or perhaps a combination of both
Well givent he group seem to hate people who actually are transitioning instead of just whining i think theyre basically like vegans you'll know what they are because they'll tell you if you ask or not
One of my trans friends went to a trans support group and was told by several of them she was triggering as she was passable
On the plus side, at least she quickly learned that it isn't actually a support group so she didn't waste much of her time believing that lie. Just another bunch of bigots trying to force people to obey them and conform to their preferred prejudices, targeting vulnerable people (anyone who needs a support group must be vulnerable to some extent) and corrupting the ideas of equality and tolerance.
I've found it a good rule of thumb to assume that identity ideologies are bigoted and support groups for a specific identity (rather than something that has happened) are far too easily corrupted by identity politics.
Thus achieving their objective of always claiming to be offended and using that as a weapon against other people.
I think that's unfair because not all vegans are like that.
It's a sad fact that unreasonable people are very likely to be a lot louder and a lot more of a problem than reasonable people and therefore get a lot more attention.
For example, a regular customer where I work is a transvestite. Sometimes they turn up with a fairly masculine appearance, sometimes they turn up with an androgynous appearance, sometimes they turn up with some degree of feminine appearance, from fairly feminine to very feminine. They say nothing about it and neither does anyone else. It's just who they are, no big deal. It gets no attention. If someone did exactly the same thing but ranted about it and how offended they were by everything and everyone and demanded that everyone apologise and accept their dominance over them and feel guilty for existing, they'd get a lot of attention.