google employee's internal diversity memo goes viral

I've only skim read the article but his letter seems to support many things I have seen in the workplace myself. But the poor guy will get crucified.

kaktus said:
He gets nothing, she gets 85k a year for a job she's unqualified for and will likely use as a stepping stone to something else in the next 18 months because she is a she and nothing else.
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I hope when HR called him to let him know he wasn't successful that they also reminded him of his male privilege :(
 
TLDR be born with a vagina or it's over, no wonder so many more men transition to being female than the other way around.
 
Tunney said:
His argument isn't sane. He states, without evidence, that women are genetically unsuitable for computer work. Apparently women don't handle stress as well as men either. :confused:
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Since the entire text of his memo is publically available, if he did state that you could provide a reference to it.

Can you?

I'm guessing you can't, since he didn't state what you claim he stated.
 
Tunney said:
His argument isn't sane. He states, without evidence, that women are genetically unsuitable for computer work. Apparently women don't handle stress as well as men either. :confused:
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He doesn't state they're unsuitable and women are on average more prone to stress. Again you've missed that there are links etc.. missing - you don't actually know he's made unsubstantiated claims as you just have a copy of the text without hyperlinks.
 
Lucky I am in a profession where white English speaking males are looked as the cream of the crop. I almost feel bad for the women when I go for interviews, feels like saying just go home ladies.

Only fair as we make up on 11% in Nursing. Out of about 60 employees in our teams, there are only 5 men and I am the only white native speaking one, I feel like quite the delicacy haha even patients love it when I turn up.
 
Angilion said:
Since the entire text of his memo is publically available, if he did state that you could provide a reference to it.

Can you?

I'm guessing you can't, since he didn't state what you claim he stated.
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The whole text under "possible non-bias causes of the gender gap in tech" and "personality differences". It lacks evidence and ignores the fact that the gender gap was a lot narrower in the early days of software engineering.

dowie said:
you don't actually know he's made unsubstantiated claims as you just have a copy of the text without hyperlinks.
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Google employees have access to the manifesto with hyperlinks. Listen to what they're saying. I'd post some of the stuff that's come up in my Facebook feed from friends who work at Google if Google weren't so hot on confidentiality.
 
nitram100 said:
Lucky I am in a profession where white English speaking males are looked as the cream of the crop. I almost feel bad for the women when I go for interviews, feels like saying just go home ladies.

Only fair as we make up on 11% in Nursing. Out of about 60 employees in our teams, there are only 5 men and I am the only white native speaking one, I feel like quite the delicacy haha even patients love it when I turn up.
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Sadly this attitude of trying to bump up numbers of male RNs has resulted in some very lax interviews. The end result is that male nurses account for the majority of those struck off for misconduct, despite being a minority.
We should employ on merit not on the basis of trying to meet PC quotas. So that we can weed out those who are in it for the power trip, & the ego boost. People who get off on the perceived status & power are dangerous & should never be near patients.
http://journals.rcni.com/doi/abs/10.7748/ns.7.33.6.s8
You'll need to be signed up to the Nursing Standard to see the full thing but you can see the abstract. Article is old I'll try to find something more recent. Friend at the RCN says the situation is the same currently.
 
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Tunney said:
Google employees have access to the manifesto with hyperlinks. Listen to what they're saying. I'd post some of the stuff that's come up in my Facebook feed from friends who work at Google if Google weren't so hot on confidentiality.
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Posted on facebook, scared to post because of confidentiality.

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JessieD said:
Sadly this attitude of trying to bump up numbers of male RNs has resulted in some very lax interviews. The end result is that male nurses account for the majority of those struck off for misconduct, despite being a minority.
We should employ on merit not on the basis of trying to meet PC quotas.
http://journals.rcni.com/doi/abs/10.7748/ns.7.33.6.s8
You'll need to be signed up to the Nursing Standard to see the full thing but you can see the abstract
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Sometimes gender, ethnicity, background etc are merits in themselves. For a nursing team I can understand why a trust might want a slightly more diverse mix, especially when it comes to things like personal care and being sensitive to an individual's religious beliefs or personal preferences. A good example was given a few pages back about product development too. If you're hiring to a project team who are developing, for instance an app designed for wide use, and your diversity mix is 100% white British males, then in my opinion, provided a minimum quality benchmark is met, the right person for your next hire is probably somebody from another background be that a woman, someone of another ethnicity or whatever.

Striving for diversity isn't just about hitting invisible quotas, it's about mirroring your client base so you can better serve them. There will always be outliers, for instance quotas about hiring women when it's clear that they would have failed at interview but for their gender. The key point for me is having that agreed minimum baseline relating to competency.
 
JessieD said:
Sadly this attitude of trying to bump up numbers of male RNs has resulted in some very lax interviews. The end result is that male nurses account for the majority of those struck off for misconduct, despite being a minority.
We should employ on merit not on the basis of trying to meet PC quotas.
http://journals.rcni.com/doi/abs/10.7748/ns.7.33.6.s8
You'll need to be signed up to the Nursing Standard to see the full thing but you can see the abstract. Article is old I'll try to find something more recent. Friend at the RCN says the situation is the same currently.
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Male Nurses are better suited to my role in the community as we work alone, often in situations where a woman would feel unsafe.

I work in a massively ethnically diverse area where a lot of muslim men will not want a woman changing their catheter, so it is useful to recruit men in this area.

But yeh I get what you're saying, male nurses are ****, women are the best.
 
nitram100 said:
Male Nurses are better suited to my role in the community as we work alone, often in situations where a woman would feel unsafe.

I work in a massively ethnically diverse area where a lot of muslim men will not want a woman changing their catheter, so it is useful to recruit men in this area.

But yeh I get what you're saying, male nurses are ****, women are the best.
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No it isn't what I'm saying at all, my post is quite clear. Stating the fact that men are more likely to be struck off for professional misconduct is not saying men are ****. It is saying don't employ people because of a quota.

Also I've added this to the post above
"We should employ on merit not on the basis of trying to meet PC quotas. So that we can weed out those who are in it for the power trip, & the ego boost. People who get off on the perceived status & power are dangerous & should never be near patients."

And nearly a decade later men are still more likely to be struck off than female nurses
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...for-misconduct-in-record-numbers-5362820.html

And the latest figures from the Nursing & Midwifery Council show more of the same
https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets...y-and-diversity-monitoring-data-2012---13.pdf
 
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Tunney said:
Google employees have access to the manifesto with hyperlinks. Listen to what they're saying. I'd post some of the stuff that's come up in my Facebook feed from friends who work at Google if Google weren't so hot on confidentiality.
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that makes no sense, if it is posted publicly on social media it is already outside google and you reposting it here make little difference

there have been plenty of comments on social media/twitter etc.. from google employees - what most of them are saying seems to ignore a lot of the content of the guy's memo and is just virtue signalling or rage from SJWs wanting him to be sacked
 
dowie said:
that makes no sense, if it is posted publicly on social media
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It wasn't posted publicly. It was posted to a list of friends.

It's not a secure way to communicate but it's still not a public post by social media's definition.
 
VincentHanna said:
That is my exact response to people banging on about SJW's as well

Basically, get off the internet for a while and back in the real world.

Literally nobody I've ever spoken to face to face has ever mentioned SJW's, "third wave feminism" etc etc.
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And yet the society you live in is being warped and undermined by their bizarre world views. Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the pernicious influence of these people is not a good move.
 
Schlong&Stable said:
And yet the society you live in is being warped and undermined by their bizarre world views. Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the pernicious influence of these people is not a good move.
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Indeed, pretty much everything that's good and bad for society starts from a minority, saying it's not an issue in the "real world" is just playing ignorant.

Professors in the US and Canada are being removed from their positions at universities because they won't comply with rules around gender pronouns invented by these SJW's that apparently don't have an effect on the "real world".
 
What professors? Jordan Peterson certainly hasn't been removed.

And he's a bit mental:

Peterson claims communist principles in postmodernism are being spread under the guise of identity politics. He believes postmodernists built on Marxist ideology, arguing that postmodernists "started to play a sleight of hand, and instead of pitting the proletariat, the working class, against the bourgeois, they started to pit the oppressed against the oppressor. That opened up the avenue to identifying any number of groups as oppressed and oppressor and to continue the same narrative under a different name....The people who hold this doctrine—this radical, postmodern, communitarian doctrine that makes racial identity or sexual identity or gender identity or some kind of group identity paramount—they've got control over most low-to-mid level bureaucratic structures, and many governments as well," he said.
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So what are the chances this guy will still be employed by google at the end of the week. Doesn't matter now whether he's right, the poo storm created pushes the whole thing into a political decision. Google don't want the publicity. I just hope for his sake he gets a decent payoff to go quietly.
 
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