Milan kidnap case: Chloe Ayling was to be 'sold in Middle East'

dowie said:
You're still not making much sense - having lunch with a captor is something you wouldn't expect, it is exactly the sort of thing that makes this whole incident suspicious.
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I've just said it's an easy thing to prove either way, so where is the evidence?

1. Witnesses tell police they were seen at Cafe.
2. Police go to cafe for CCTV footage.
3. Case closed.
 
You said you'd expect there to be photos, though you're not willing to expand on that because supposedly it is 'obvious'? I'm not sure why there necessarily would be photos. Now you're mentioning CCTV, how do you know the cafe concerned has CCTV? The UK has rather a lot of CCTV coverage, not all countries are like that - perhaps there may be CCTV in the coming days perhaps not - it isn't necessarily a given.
 
dowie said:
You said you'd expect there to be photos, though you're not willing to expand on that because supposedly it is 'obvious'? I'm not sure why there necessarily would be photos. Now you're mentioning CCTV, how do you know the cafe concerned has CCTV? The UK has rather a lot of CCTV coverage, not all countries are like that - perhaps there may be CCTV in the coming days perhaps not - it isn't necessarily a given.
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Already clarified that point, it was a mistake as I thought he was talking in present tense but that is seemingly not the case. In any case no point arguing hypothericals, Milan is a big city which has millions of visitors a year, if they were happened to be in public (and cordial towards each other) during her supposed kidnapping then it's just a matter of time before such footage is found.
 
Whole conspiracy revolves around the ketamine thing if you ask me. The "exclusive interview" over the weekend appears to confirm the Italian police say that she had a puncture wound on her arm, and traces of ketamine found in her hair. I don't recall for sure if the story said the hair they were talking about was from the samples they found in the boot of the car, or for samples taken from her when they interviewed her. The puncture wound could be faked obviously, but if the hair samples were actually taken from her then, rather than the car boot, that would add quite some credibility to her story as she would have to be absolutely mental to let a polish odd job man inject her with anything, let alone any amount of ketamine. If on the other hand it was from the samples in the car boot then surely they could have easily faked that by dipping a few follicles in ketamine before planting them in the boot.
 
Bubo said:
Whole conspiracy revolves around the ketamine thing if you ask me. The "exclusive interview" over the weekend appears to confirm the Italian police say that she had a puncture wound on her arm, and traces of ketamine found in her hair. I don't recall for sure if the story said the hair they were talking about was from the samples they found in the boot of the car, or for samples taken from her when they interviewed her. The puncture wound could be faked obviously, but if the hair samples were actually taken from her then, rather than the car boot, that would add quite some credibility to her story as she would have to be absolutely mental to let a polish odd job man inject her with anything, let alone any amount of ketamine. If on the other hand it was from the samples in the car boot then surely they could have easily faked that by dipping a few follicles in ketamine before planting them in the boot.
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Ketamine doesn't prove anything either way for me. From what people who know her have said in the papers she is not the brightest bunny in the cage. So letting someone inject her with ketamine to back up her story does not sound far fetched at all. And a lot of people use it recreationally.
 
The other thing with the ketamine aspect of this, thinking about it I have to assume they didn't plan on the car ever being taken in for examination by the police, as that would need the stupid bloke to have intentionally given himself up such that the police would have the car, so I guess that in itself rules out the planted ketamine dosed hair. Which suggests she must have been injected with the stuff at some point. Does show quite a bit of forethought by the polish dude about her being tested for it when she was "released", even if he did fall down on the basic school boy error of not getting yourself collared by the cops in the British consulate. I am still puzzled how it ended up in the car boot though, as agreeing to actually being knocked out with the stuff to provide chemical evidence to support future questioning is one thing, its another thing for them to actually bother with stuffing her in the boot of the car, if the impounding of the car was never planned, and assuming she was in on it from the start.
 
Just seems like another attention-seeking early 20s naive instagram blonde who went into too far and too deep imo. I'd bet a fiver on it.
 
Arazi said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41389489

As most of us thought, a sham.
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That's not what the report says at all.

What the report says is that the brother of the alleged kidnapper, who is himself accused of being involved, says he wasn't involved and thinks it was a sham. That's his defence. A defendant saying something is not proof that it is true. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any point in having any trials. "Did you do it?" "No" "OK, off you go, case closed".
 
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