The Jose Mourinho Appreciation Thread

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Don't buy about 99% of whats in this thread. First off this whole 3rd season syndrome, if that's the case, then clubs would just hire him for two years. Listen to players on the record and off the record, they all say Jose is a different beast behind the scenes and certainly not the monster the press decide to create.

In regards to last nights game and post match presser, rather than reading the loaded agendas from 'Chief football writer' for X Y Z BS newspaper, watch the full un-edited conference. A lot of what he says makes absolute sense. He asked for five players, he has got 2 and I dare say Dalot was one earmarked for the future.

Martial: If he is world class at his next club, great. He's had chances to shine and he has been inconsistent at best.

Behind the scenes, it 'Looks' like there is positive change. A new direction on scouting and recruitment. He has moved on from Rui Faria and recruited from within with Carrick and More importantly Kiearn McKenna. His previous team played a high tempo counter-attacking game which you saw glimpses of last night in the first half.

LVG and Moyes were absolute stains on our club but more importantly, the buck stops above Jose. If Jose (or any manager) says I need the following players to make a push for either Champions League or Premier League then if the board don't deliver then why is that on Jose ?.

If you get rid of Jose, who do you put in? All the press crow about Pep, great football to watch to a certain extent, then it becomes a clinical exercise in ball retention. Dull as dishwater and Bayern fans were glad to see the back of him. Has he been tested anywhere where he doesn't click his fingers and works with a team with at least 5 top tier players if not more along with pretty much an open chequebook?

Klopp ??? Always the bridesmaid never the bride. An outstanding track record in finishing as runner-up, no thanks. I will back him though when he says he had the chance to join Utd but he thought it was too much of a theme park. That goes right back to Woodward and the Glazers.

Pocchetino ????? Bottles it and gets outhought in the really big games that matter. Give it five years then maybe.

Didn't really like Jose at Chelsea but **** me I will back him. Does he have the players he needs to deliver the football he wants and I don't think he does. I look at Liverpool, great team but not just there yet. Built on the foundation of high press from the front and Jurgen has pretty much the players at his disposal for his style of football and system. Pep has probably the best midfield in Europe, again built on his philosophy. For Jose, his best football has come as counter-attacking, physically strong team. Any wonder why he wants a strong back line. I've watched Utd long enough to see that counter-attacking football can and is a joy to watch. Again the press will have you believe that ball retention and possession are more important than goals. Not a single ball has been kicked in anger this season and we are calling out Jose on the basis of getting beat off Liverpool in some pre-season warm-up game?
 
I don’t think anyone’s wanting him out because of the result. It’s because he’s a toxic idiot who does nothing but moan, pointing the finger at everyone, players, the board, fans for not making enough noise, anyone but himself.

He acts like he’s working in the worst job in the world and his life is so bad. Sits in press conferences with a face like a slapped arse. Constantly berates our high profile players even when they are delivering, and then wonders why they might be a little miffed.

His football is terrible, and I don’t buy for a second that he can’t play the football he wants with the talent available in our squad. He’s just a past it manager in a game that’s moved on and he’s decided to not move with it
 
There's a reason why he has a list of players he wants and the club haven't signed them.... who in their right mind would want to play for him? He throws everyone under the bus except himself. That's the difference compared with other managers, Jose only looks out for Jose. Imagine paying money to watch his boring style of football. Pretty difficult for fans to back him surely??
 
Klopp ??? Always the bridesmaid never the bride. An outstanding track record in finishing as runner-up, no thanks. I will back him though when he says he had the chance to join Utd but he thought it was too much of a theme park. That goes right back to Woodward and the Glazers.

I assume you are discounting the German league titles and cups for some reason?

People are annoyed at Mourinho because he is a massive bell end, plus we have all watched many Utd games last season and still bear the scars.
 
There's a reason why he has a list of players he wants and the club haven't signed them.... who in their right mind would want to play for him? He throws everyone under the bus except himself. That's the difference compared with other managers, Jose only looks out for Jose. Imagine paying money to watch his boring style of football. Pretty difficult for fans to back him surely??
I found the comment about not paying money to watch United hysterically ironic. It’s as if he forgets it’s him who sends them out to play like that. It’s his tactics.
 
I assume you are discounting the German league titles and cups for some reason?

People are annoyed at Mourinho because he is a massive bell end, plus we have all watched many Utd games last season and still bear the scars.

Calling him a ******* is really subjective. Has no bearing on what he's doing behind the scenes
 
We dont know what he is doing, all we can see is the media persona, if it is a persona.
Exactly. Pretty much every single press conference is edited to make a different story from what is said. I have zero trust or respect for so called respected journalists. In today's world of social media, clowns like Oliver Holt, Neil Ashton John Cross etc become less relevant by the day thankfully
 
Exactly. Pretty much every single press conference is edited to make a different story from what is said. I have zero trust or respect for so called respected journalists. In today's world of social media, clowns like Oliver Holt, Neil Ashton John Cross etc become less relevant by the day thankfully

Love this attitude from people, proper Trumpian stuff, people's views don't mesh with my opinion on what reality should be? Theyre all fakes, I'm the only one whose right!!

:D:D:D:D
 
*rearranged your post a bit simply as it's easier to reply to certain points together.
In regards to last nights game and post match presser, rather than reading the loaded agendas from 'Chief football writer' for X Y Z BS newspaper, watch the full un-edited conference. A lot of what he says makes absolute sense...... Not a single ball has been kicked in anger this season and we are calling out Jose on the basis of getting beat off Liverpool in some pre-season warm-up game?......Listen to players on the record and off the record, they all say Jose is a different beast behind the scenes and certainly not the monster the press decide to create.

I watched the press-conference in full and heard his post match interview (with MUTV?). There has been absolutely no agenda in what I've seen reported regarding his comments. From before kick-off to post match, everything he said was to protect himself. Yes Utd were missing a fair few first team players but the side he put out was not the write-off he wanted everybody to believe - his comments were designed to protect himself from criticism in the even Utd did lose. In isolation the performance last night isn't the be-all and end-all but it's just another example of a lack luster performance under him but the real killer was his comments and demeanour post-match.

I was gobsmacked when I first saw his comment when responding to a question about Sanchez looking unhappy. What are those 'kids' meant to be thinking when their manager is coming out with comments like he made last night? He as good as said that all but a few of the senior players there weren't good enough and have no place in his squad. Not only is that questionable man management but it also doesn't help the club in the transfer market but I'll come back to that with the last quote. Mourinho would have been better off sitting in his press-conference last night saying "the players are **** and the board won't sign the players I want, blame them not me" - that was the message he wanted putting out there. It wasn't just the comments about the players available to him though - the comments about supporters not paying to watch this team. What do you think the Utd board or the organisers that paid Utd £millions to take part in the competition are thinking?

Players don't all say Mourinho's different behind the scenes. He divided an entire football club at Real, half the Chelsea squad downed tools and there's been plenty of murmurings coming out of OT from certain players that aren't happy with his man management style. Mourinho clearly prefers the stick to the carrot and I remember an article by Matthew Syed around the time Mourinho was appointed Utd manager where he talked about the 3rd season issue - similar to what I said regarding supporters eventually getting fed up with him, his players lose patience with him too.

Compare and contrast the different quotes from Pep and Mourinho this pre-season. When Liverpool beat a City side that genuinely was full of kids (and put up a much better showing than Utd), post match Pep spoke about how proud he was of them and again yesterday he's continued to talk positively about them. Mourinho threw his side under the bus, using them as an excuse to protect himself. Compare and contrast Klopp and Mourinho's reactions to players returning home for the bith of their children. It's the same story again.
Behind the scenes, it 'Looks' like there is positive change. A new direction on scouting and recruitment. He has moved on from Rui Faria and recruited from within with Carrick and More importantly Kiearn McKenna. His previous team played a high tempo counter-attacking game which you saw glimpses of last night in the first half.

From what I read & heard, he didn't move Faria on. Faria left because he wants to become a manager himself. I'd be really interested to know just how much of an input Mourinho had in Carrick and McKenna getting first team roles too. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that these were appointments made by the club rather than him - I certainly don't expect either to follow Mourinho to his next club, lets put it that way.
He asked for five players, he has got 2 and I dare say Dalot was one earmarked for the future. ..... If Jose (or any manager) says I need the following players to make a push for either Champions League or Premier League then if the board don't deliver then why is that on Jose ?

I think you misinterpretted what he actually said. He said he wants two more signings but that doesn't think he'll get both of them and that the one signing he hopes still to get, he gave the club 5 possible targets.

As for "If Jose wants.....the board should get it for him" It's the board's job to find a balance between what the manager wants and what is financially responsible. When Mourinho first arrived he said he wanted 4 'specialists', a cb, cm, attacking mid/wide forward & striker and he said his target would be to win/challenge for the title. He got everything he wanted. He was then massively backed again last summer, spending £75-90m on Lukaku, spending £35-40m on 29 year old Matic, another £35-40m on another CB and then committed huge money on Sanchez (another 29 year old). Having got everything he said he needed in his first summer, rewind 6 months, having spent another small fortune again in the 2nd summer and he's sat in his press-conference pleading povety.

Having spent a combined £65-70m on CB's (pre-Neymar before fees took another huge jump), by all accounts he now wants another CB and as he admitted himself, he's not overly fussy about who he wants. If you were charged with running the finances at Utd, would you want to committ another huge fee on any old CB given what's happened before? Wouldn't you be a tad worried that in 12 months time he'd be asking for another £50m to sign another CB? It's the same story with the wing/attacking midfield roles - he got Mkhitaryan, binned him off and replaced him with a 29 year old Sanchez (committing massive amounts of money on his contract) and he's now pushing for Perisic or Willian. Do you fork out £50m odd on another 29 year old knowing that even if this signing goes to plan you're still going to need to replace them in a couple of years time anyway?

Coming back to the point earlier about Mourinho's man management and how it effects transfers. For all the **** I give Mourinho, I completely understand why he doesn't see futures for Shaw or Martial at Utd - they're not his style of player and if you're going to appoint him then you've got to accept that. However the way he's treated the pair of them can only have had a negative impact on their transfer value. Mourinho would sell the pair of them in a heart beat yet they're still Utd players. Why? I'm sure there's been interest in the pair but clearly not at a level that Utd could justify selling them

Answering the original 'if Jose says...." point - if the club gave Mourinho everything he wanted they'd go bust because he'd keep spending and spending.
 
I know we all have a laugh at Mourinho but he's getting worse and worse as the years go on and it's not hard to see why he's struggling more and more to get the best out of players. The quote below is something Klopp is supposed to have said to the Liverpool squad when he took over in 2015:

When you win, it's down to you and when you lose, it's down to me.

With Mourinho it's exactly the opposite of that.

edit: Christ! A line from Mourinho's presser when asked about Sanchez looking unhappy:

Look, do you want him to be very happy with the players he has around him?

A penny for the thoughts of the 'kids' in the Utd side today.


He is very negative. Whatever your line of work we’ve all known mangers like this. They are not natural leaders, they manage by fear and intimidation. It rarely works, and they don’t command the respect of staff.

There’s an interesting article in MEN about net spending at Liverpool, City and United.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...news/man-utd-city-liverpool-transfer-14948361

The difference in attitude between Pep and Mourinho is stark.

Pep said:
I'm not concerned about what one of us says one day - the circumstances change," Guardiola said. "When Liverpool believe it, it's because they believe it's for the best for them. I don't like it when colleagues speak about me. If they believe it's the best for them, it's perfect for them.

It might sound daft after the success Mourinho has had at other clubs, but I don't think he can handle the pressure at Utd. The expectation is so high, and he's spent big, but still looks a million miles away from where he needs to be.
 
There’s an interesting article in MEN about net spending at Liverpool, City and United.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...news/man-utd-city-liverpool-transfer-14948361

The difference in attitude between Pep and Mourinho is stark.
Yep, and most if not all of that difference in spend is made up for by Utd's larger wagebill too. The reality is that Mourinho has spent just as much and as I have pointed out before, there wasn't as much of a difference between the two sides when both managers arrived. Certainly not as much as Mourinho wants everybody to believe.

I don't think pressure is the issue though. There's no more pressure at Utd than there was Real anyway. I think his methods are outdated - whether you're a player or supporter, I'm sure it's difficult to be motivated by Mourinho when you look down the road and see what Pep's doing.
 
Exactly. Pretty much every single press conference is edited to make a different story from what is said. I have zero trust or respect for so called respected journalists. In today's world of social media, clowns like Oliver Holt, Neil Ashton John Cross etc become less relevant by the day thankfully

You do realise you can actually watch them? Or are the videos edited and dubbed? :confused:
 
Don't buy about 99% of whats in this thread. First off this whole 3rd season syndrome, if that's the case, then clubs would just hire him for two years. Listen to players on the record and off the record, they all say Jose is a different beast behind the scenes and certainly not the monster the press decide to create.

In regards to last nights game and post match presser, rather than reading the loaded agendas from 'Chief football writer' for X Y Z BS newspaper, watch the full un-edited conference. A lot of what he says makes absolute sense. He asked for five players, he has got 2 and I dare say Dalot was one earmarked for the future.

Martial: If he is world class at his next club, great. He's had chances to shine and he has been inconsistent at best.

Behind the scenes, it 'Looks' like there is positive change. A new direction on scouting and recruitment. He has moved on from Rui Faria and recruited from within with Carrick and More importantly Kiearn McKenna. His previous team played a high tempo counter-attacking game which you saw glimpses of last night in the first half.

LVG and Moyes were absolute stains on our club but more importantly, the buck stops above Jose. If Jose (or any manager) says I need the following players to make a push for either Champions League or Premier League then if the board don't deliver then why is that on Jose ?.

If you get rid of Jose, who do you put in? All the press crow about Pep, great football to watch to a certain extent, then it becomes a clinical exercise in ball retention. Dull as dishwater and Bayern fans were glad to see the back of him. Has he been tested anywhere where he doesn't click his fingers and works with a team with at least 5 top tier players if not more along with pretty much an open chequebook?

Klopp ??? Always the bridesmaid never the bride. An outstanding track record in finishing as runner-up, no thanks. I will back him though when he says he had the chance to join Utd but he thought it was too much of a theme park. That goes right back to Woodward and the Glazers.

Pocchetino ????? Bottles it and gets outhought in the really big games that matter. Give it five years then maybe.

Didn't really like Jose at Chelsea but **** me I will back him. Does he have the players he needs to deliver the football he wants and I don't think he does. I look at Liverpool, great team but not just there yet. Built on the foundation of high press from the front and Jurgen has pretty much the players at his disposal for his style of football and system. Pep has probably the best midfield in Europe, again built on his philosophy. For Jose, his best football has come as counter-attacking, physically strong team. Any wonder why he wants a strong back line. I've watched Utd long enough to see that counter-attacking football can and is a joy to watch. Again the press will have you believe that ball retention and possession are more important than goals. Not a single ball has been kicked in anger this season and we are calling out Jose on the basis of getting beat off Liverpool in some pre-season warm-up game?

Fully agree with this.
 
I hope it's all an act and he's trying to force the board to spend, but I doubt it, sadly.

The guy studied psychology extensively. I can’t see him being that stupid.

Also lots of top ex-pros really rate him. I don’t buy this monster BS. Martial, whilst a talent has had his chances.
 
You do realise you can actually watch them? Or are the videos edited and dubbed? :confused:

I have watched them from Fergies era. Watched enoughnof Joses pressers to see how his words are twistedt. The only thing is consistent it's how the press carefully edit to create a story to suit their current agenda. It's not just limited to Utd It's, it's the same with all clubs. Give me content like Full Time Devils or if u are an Arsenal fan, Arsenal FanTV above the fleet Street cretins.

They call out respected sources within a club or Utd fans think X Y Z. They certainly are not representative of me, my fellow fans match going reds or anyone to do with Man Utd. They say their MUST be a link between club and fans yet accept ZERO responsibility for making up BS transfer / inside stories.
 
The guy studied psychology extensively. I can’t see him being that stupid.

Also lots of top ex-pros really rate him. I don’t buy this monster BS. Martial, whilst a talent has had his chances.
I suppose whether you consider it stupidity will depend on what his objectives are because exactly what he's doing now cost him his job at Chelsea twice and Real Madrid. If he wanted to get sacked to get paid off then no, he's not being stupid.
 
Don't buy about 99% of whats in this thread. First off this whole 3rd season syndrome, if that's the case, then clubs would just hire him for two years. Listen to players on the record and off the record, they all say Jose is a different beast behind the scenes and certainly not the monster the press decide to create.

In regards to last nights game and post match presser, rather than reading the loaded agendas from 'Chief football writer' for X Y Z BS newspaper, watch the full un-edited conference. A lot of what he says makes absolute sense. He asked for five players, he has got 2 and I dare say Dalot was one earmarked for the future.

Martial: If he is world class at his next club, great. He's had chances to shine and he has been inconsistent at best.

Behind the scenes, it 'Looks' like there is positive change. A new direction on scouting and recruitment. He has moved on from Rui Faria and recruited from within with Carrick and More importantly Kiearn McKenna. His previous team played a high tempo counter-attacking game which you saw glimpses of last night in the first half.

LVG and Moyes were absolute stains on our club but more importantly, the buck stops above Jose. If Jose (or any manager) says I need the following players to make a push for either Champions League or Premier League then if the board don't deliver then why is that on Jose ?.

If you get rid of Jose, who do you put in? All the press crow about Pep, great football to watch to a certain extent, then it becomes a clinical exercise in ball retention. Dull as dishwater and Bayern fans were glad to see the back of him. Has he been tested anywhere where he doesn't click his fingers and works with a team with at least 5 top tier players if not more along with pretty much an open chequebook?

Klopp ??? Always the bridesmaid never the bride. An outstanding track record in finishing as runner-up, no thanks. I will back him though when he says he had the chance to join Utd but he thought it was too much of a theme park. That goes right back to Woodward and the Glazers.

Pocchetino ????? Bottles it and gets outhought in the really big games that matter. Give it five years then maybe.

Didn't really like Jose at Chelsea but **** me I will back him. Does he have the players he needs to deliver the football he wants and I don't think he does. I look at Liverpool, great team but not just there yet. Built on the foundation of high press from the front and Jurgen has pretty much the players at his disposal for his style of football and system. Pep has probably the best midfield in Europe, again built on his philosophy. For Jose, his best football has come as counter-attacking, physically strong team. Any wonder why he wants a strong back line. I've watched Utd long enough to see that counter-attacking football can and is a joy to watch. Again the press will have you believe that ball retention and possession are more important than goals. Not a single ball has been kicked in anger this season and we are calling out Jose on the basis of getting beat off Liverpool in some pre-season warm-up game?
Un edited or not mourinho more often than not throws players under the bus and nothing is ever his fault.

Clubs can see there conference in full anyway, of course media will pick stuff out to make a story but fact remains mourinho brings it upon himself and consistently does it.

Mourinho though has never looked as thed up or sounded as miserable as he does now.

He hasn't made as many digs as he is doing currently either imo.

He acts like your team is terrible it's not at all, I honestly think another manager would get more out of your team than him
 
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