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Really? Call me naive but as a white British man I'd imagine regardless of statistics, you're way more likely to get targeted in Baghdad compared to Mexico. I was looking at doing an Intrepid/Trailfinders tour of Mexico which included a few days in MC (as well as other cities, obviously). Although the girlfriend had voiced concerns I would have thought a lot of the violence there is between cartels/gangs -- compared to somewhere like Baghdad where Islamic extremists will actively target Western people just for funsies.

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I can see the point, the thing is it's very different types of crime. In Mexico city as a tourist, there is a high chance of robbery and low level crime, which is something you're very unlikely to experience in Iraq.
 
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I almost went to Mogadishu last year
i got to ask.....what the **** for? i appreciate it has probably come a long way from the 'black hawk down' era. but surely it's still an utter poohole? who in their right mind would want to visit on holiday?? forgive my ignorance if it has in fact become a thriving holiday destination. though i suspect your mention of needing an armed escort suggests not!
 
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nice photos :)

I can see the point, the thing is it's very different types of crime. In Mexico city as a tourist, there is a high chance of robbery and low level crime, which is something you're very unlikely to experience in Iraq.

that sounds dubious tbh... robbery seems like quite a real risk there, especially as a westerner - granted you'd be lucky that some of the people who might rob you don't actually kill or kidnap you instead
 
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i got to ask.....what the **** for? i appreciate it has probably come a long way from the 'black hawk down' era. but surely it's still an utter poohole? who in their right mind would want to visit on holiday?? forgive my ignorance if it has in fact become a thriving holiday destination. though i suspect your mention of needing an armed escort suggests not!

I would've been there to lead a tour group. It's not well visited by tourists, maybe a couple dozen a year. I work in a real niche of tourism and have a lot of clients trying to visit every country in the world and even things beyond that (I've got two clients who are in a race to be the first person to visit every country in the world twice) as well as clients who have almost completed travel lists such as the Travelers Century Club, Nomad Mania etc. Quite a mix of people too, everything from backpackers up to one client who is a billionaire.

So basically we arrange trips to some of these remote and hard to visit places. For example next year we have trips to places like Pitcairn Island, Chechnya, Chad, Somaliland, Iraq, 6 trips to Afghanistan and we're Europe's largest operator of trips to North Korea. We've got a list of about 200 people absolutely desperate to get in to Yemen currently.
 
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I would've been there to lead a tour group. It's not well visited by tourists, maybe a couple dozen a year. I work in a real niche of tourism and have a lot of clients trying to visit every country in the world and even things beyond that (I've got two clients who are in a race to be the first person to visit every country in the world twice) as well as clients who have almost completed travel lists such as the Travelers Century Club, Nomad Mania etc. Quite a mix of people too, everything from backpackers up to one client who is a billionaire.

So basically we arrange trips to some of these remote and hard to visit places. For example next year we have trips to places like Pitcairn Island, Chechnya, Chad, Somaliland, Iraq, 6 trips to Afghanistan and we're Europe's largest operator of trips to North Korea. We've got a list of about 200 people absolutely desperate to get in to Yemen currently.
pitcairn island i could understand. beautiful, remote - perfectly sensible place to want to visit. chad and somalia not so much. i imagine the want to visit such places is ego driven as i doubt you visit Mogadishu for it's scenery or warm and welcoming locals.
your post made me think of this recent story....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/world/asia/islamic-state-tajikistan-bike-attack.html
 
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Yeah I'd quite like to visit Pitcairn Island one day, though the locals do sound a bit weird - some big Paedo scandal a few years ago when the UK had to send over a police officer.

also LOL at the Mel Gibson comment :D (maybe Brando might have been a more famous one to reference - he even bought a pacific island after shooting the earlier film about the mutiny on the bounty)
 
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pitcairn island i could understand. beautiful, remote - perfectly sensible place to want to visit. chad and somalia not so much. i imagine the want to visit such places is ego driven as i doubt you visit Mogadishu for it's scenery or warm and welcoming locals.
your post made me think of this recent story....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/world/asia/islamic-state-tajikistan-bike-attack.html

I wouldn't put Tajikistan in the same category, it has some of the best scenery in the world and gets a lot of tourists. I was leading a group of 12 through there about 100km from that attack when it happend, really sad thing to happen to bicycle tourist. Intrepid and even GAdventures were also in country with groups at the same time, it's not as off the beaten path as it used to be.

For some people it can about showing off, but the common trend I tend to see is people who like to visit places with a bad reputation to see what the real side of it is, as well as people interested in history and politics as driving force behind trips. There's quite a few real gems that the public have a bad image of (Chechnya is stunning for example up in the mountains).
 
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also LOL at the Mel Gibson comment :D (maybe Brando might have been a more famous one to reference - he even bought a pacific island after shooting the earlier film about the mutiny on the bounty)

I'm gonna be visiting Marlon Brando island too in March :D. It's got a super high end resort on it called "The Brando" but day trips are possible.
 
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I wouldn't put Tajikistan in the same category, it has some of the best scenery in the world and gets a lot of tourists. I was leading a group of 12 through there about 100km from that attack when it happend, really sad thing to happen to bicycle tourist. Intrepid and even GAdventures were also in country with groups at the same time, it's not as off the beaten path as it used to be.
i imagine though the majority of tourists aren't white westerners though?

For some people it can about showing off, but the common trend I tend to see is people who like to visit places with a bad reputation to see what the real side of it is, as well as people interested in history and politics as driving force behind trips. There's quite a few real gems that the public have a bad image of (Chechnya is stunning for example up in the mountains).
oh no doubt, some of the most awful violent places on the planet have some of the most beautiful, unspoilt scenery. the world is a beautiful place. it's just us humans that **** things up :p

the common trend I tend to see is people who like to visit places with a bad reputation to see what the real side of it is
yea i understand that but surely they are only seeing a 'sanitised' version of the places they visit. I'm guessing your guided tours are going to be well 'policed' - as well as the likes of yourself i'm guessing you'll using respected local 'guides' who by their sheer presence offer a degree of protection. i imagine a group of holiday makers going to some of these places you mention under their own steam are not going to have a fun time (as per the cyclists in the story quoted)
 
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I'm gonna be visiting Marlon Brando island too in March :D. It's got a super high end resort on it called "The Brando" but day trips are possible.

Yeah from what I've read there are a couple of companies that operate trips there from Tahiti, I don't think you get to go on the Island the Resort itself is on but rather some of the other islands around the lagoon (or maybe you do get to do get to check out the resort too since you're a tour operator rather than a random tourist).

It looks awesome either way :)
 
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Sounds like a pretty awesome trip Micky, I’d love to go at some point in my life.

But seeing as I do quite a bit of travelling within the USA for business etc. Having an Iraqi stamp on my passport probably would ban me from entering America. Maybe not such a bad thing with the crap fest over there but at the moment it would kill me financially.

One of my very good friends went to Canada back in August and was meant to meet one her friends in Seattle. But she was turned away at the American border due to her having been to Iraq to bury her mother there. They also told her that her daughters would also be banned from entering America as well. Bit harsh I thought but it’s as I say, their country their laws no matter how disgusting they are.
 
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Can't see places like this being in a package holiday anytime soon, are you wanting a butterknife and a jumpsuit or something, horrible place horrible way of life caused by backward people.
 
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