Read your last few posts when you sober up tomorrow.Facts. All facts.
You may be unfamiliar with them.
Read your last few posts when you sober up tomorrow.Facts. All facts.
You may be unfamiliar with them.
"it's impossible for a building to fall like this in any other way"Comedy gold. No one designs buildings to fall.
WT7 is the low hanging fruit here. It was a controlled demo. Impossible for a building to fall like this any other way.
Ok, how exactly do expect something that weighs a couple of hundred thousand tons to fall when it's hit by something that weighs maybe a couple of hundred tons and removes structural support?The worlds 2 biggest buildings, and a 3rd huge building, all collapsed perfectly when catapulted at random angles from projectiles. On the one hand your group is saying it's because it was incompetently designed, on the other you're saying they were designed so well they fell perfectly according to design. Why bother with controlled demolitions when you can just blast some debris at the exterior.
The vitriol is amazing. It's akin to the rabid Brexiteers that call remainers 'remoaners' and foam at the mouth because the other half are myopic traitors.
Occams razor springs to mind. Inside job is a simpler explanation than the mind boggling number of coincidences it takes to make all of this an attack by foreign sheep herders.
If you have an issue with anything I’ve posted, report it. Let a mod decide if I’m rude or you’re a flakey thing. I always respect their judgment.Read your last few posts when you sober up tomorrow.
There is indeed a cover up regarding 911 but it's nothing to do with controlled demolition, cruise missiles or anything physical that happened on the day. The conspiracy as anyone who has really looked into it knows comes from the fact that the operation was most likely aided by radical elements in the Saudi establishment. I believe 28 pages which point to this are still redacted in the 9/11 commission report. Other file releases and members of the commission have quietly pointed to this being true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_September_11_attacks
You really don't know how far this rabbit hole goes. I looked into it for 7 years and I know who done it, but it was no muslim in a cave that's for sure.
Not going to say who as its shady as hell to even mention it on the internet.
And every single person in this thread calling loon at every opportunity is hashing out the same bonkers engineering theory as you do. You said buildings are designed to fall close to freefall.
In what universe is building collapse a consideration of design?
Every designed structure - building, bridge, road, tunnel, railway, whatever - has building collapse as a consideration of design. You always, always, consider failure. Only a blithering idiot would build (or allow to be built) a tower hundreds of meters high in a densely built up area without any consideration as to what would happen if it failed. That would be so recklessly incompetent that it could be considered insane. It could only happen in the most corrupt societies and probably not even then.
From memory Sprinkler systems aren't usually to stop a major fire, but slow it's spread down, and try to contain it whilst people evacuate and the fire fighters arrive, and I believe it's relatively rare for normal sprinklers alone to put out a major fire over several floors.
This ignores the fact that the fire was at least initially largely a mixed source fire, paper/furnishings which water alone can potentially put out, and aviation fuel/hydrolic oils, which usually requires either foam or powder, and when you add water to a fuel or oil fire it can make things worse (think chip pan fire).
Occams razor springs to mind. Inside job is a simpler explanation than the mind boggling number of coincidences it takes to make all of this an attack by foreign sheep herders.
Or that some 'foreign sheep herders' scraped together a few hundred dollars, took some flying lessons and hijacked some planes just like other nefarious people have done in the past.
Sums it up well.The catchphrase you see many variations of is "How could goat herders in a cave with box cutters carry this out" in nearly every discussion. The answer is they didn't the attackers were Saudi and Egyptian nationals some spending extended time in Europe and then the US before the attacks. They were not backward Taliban goat herders.
Having not belived the official story myself, I do feel for people still clinging onto the conspiracy theories. I now recognise what I did when I was a believer, I would cherry pick information and then combine it to show something didn't add up. What I could never do was look at the overall picture of the sheer number of events that would need to be coordinated to actually carry out a faked attack on this scale. I could never actually explain what happened that day without a massively complex series of events. The reality is that Occam's razor actually falls at the door of terrorists hijacking poorly secured planes as the simplest explanation.
If you believe the conspiracy, I would ask you what is the biggest project you yourself have been involved in? Anyone who has worked in large projects or contracts especially involving government agencies knows how completely unfeasible it would be to coordinate 9/11 if cruise missiles, building demolitions, disappearing planes, fake drills and planted passports were involved.
Moving on from 9/11 conspiracy is about growing up and understanding how the world really operates. The world is far more mundane in some ways than the movie thriller world of 9/11 conspiracies. However it is far from being boring, I still love reading about covert operations and political intrigue but I now know what is possible and what is fantasy.
If you believe in the 9/11 conspiracy you have sheltered yourself from the depth of information that is actually out there. Particularly you should read about intelligence operations during the Clinton years leading up to the attacks. Get off YouTube and read actual deep well researched books that will educate you on the hidden geopolitics that are all around us.
This book is a great place to start:
Ghost Wars by Steve Coll
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ghost-Wars-Secret-History-Afghanistan/dp/0141020806
If anyone wants questions answered or help to step away from their conspiracy beliefs 9/11, faked moon landings etc) I would be really willing to help you. I was that person and I can tell you giving up conspiracy theories can be like giving up smoking or a drug. There is definitely an addictive dopamine style reward to thinking you are uncovering information that the masses doesn't know about. There is a real fear that your life will be more empty without the conspiracy world.
Send me a message if this is you and you want to transition to a just as exciting but far deeper and richer real world.
This must sound mental for those who have never believed in conspiracies but it really can take over your way of thinking and life, I do not judge people because I have been there.
It's human behaviour, we love stories and there's a lot of gullible people out there. If every conspiracy theorist stood back and applied common sense most CTs wouldn't exist.
The more you fight stupidity the worse it gets, NASA knows this, hence why they shelved their moon landing conspiracy debunking book. I'm a little disappointed this thread is already so long, I assumed most here were reasonably intelligent.
Neither is particularly a simpler explanation.
In most case with hijacking they've not flown the planes themselves and/or not tried to navigate to and hit a target 150 miles away or so - which is no trivial task with a few hours on single engine and maybe a bit of time on heavies in a simulator.
We know from flight recordings and passenger calls they told passengers and flight crew there was a bomb on board and they were going to land the planes back at an airport.
If I was going to do it I would keep one of the existing pilots held at the controls, only needing to take over in the final minutes once the target was recognised.
They have a knife to your throat and tell you they want to make a political statement making a low pass over Manhatten before landing at Newark but on approach to the low pass you throat is cut and they steer the plane into the WTC.